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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
Few would contest the idea that Israel is a client state of the Us.

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The question you needed to ask, is will mankind ever change ? Somehow I doubt it.

But isn't it amazing that at the time we don't see the greater harm. Our actions, our meaning any democratic nation, seem just and justified. Only years later do we see our greed and aggression.

But I think we should not be all gloom and doom. Overall the world is a better place than 60 years ago. I really do believe the Internet will be our savior. The sharing of information is shrinking the world and bringing us all closer together.

Not exactly, at least here in the UK. Most were in favour of staying out of the clusterfuck that was Iraq. Many, myself included, saw the wisdom of going after Bin Laden. Bush should have made him the aim and not regime change.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

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The question you needed to ask, is will mankind ever change ? Somehow I doubt it.

But isn't it amazing that at the time we don't see the greater harm. Our actions, our meaning any democratic nation, seem just and justified. Only years later do we see our greed and aggression.

But I think we should not be all gloom and doom. Overall the world is a better place than 60 years ago. I really do believe the Internet will be our savior. The sharing of information is shrinking the world and bringing us all closer together.

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ORIGINAL: Rule

And what do you think civilization entails?

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The emergence of civilization is generally associated with the Neolithic, or Agricultural Revolution, which occurred in various locations between 8,000 and 5,000 BCE, specifically in southwestern/southern Asia, northern/central Africa and Central America.

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Will this do?

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America was once a colony.
England has had many invaders who colonized.
The greeks had colonies all over the place.
The persians did it and the egyptians did it.
And Alexander the Great did it.
So there you have it.
What was the effect of colonizing besides all the bad things.

You don't see any good in the long run?
not if it is against their will, period
You see no exchange of ideas, technology and culture?
who has the authority to determine that is "BETTER"? What if they arent talking to ya? Just blow them to hell, "so there"?

The way of the BORG hive think?

The Borg are a collection of species that have been turned into cybernetic organisms functioning as drones of the Collective, or the hive. A pseudo-race, dwelling in the Star Trek universe, the Borg force other species into their collective and connect them to "the hive mind"; the act is called assimilation and entails violence, abductions, and injections of microscopic machines called nanoprobes. The Borg's ultimate goal is "achieving perfection".

"Resistance is futile"

Individual Borg rarely speak. Instead, they send a collective audio message to their targets stating that "resistance is futile", followed by a declaration that the target in question “”We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.”


Here is the way they actually say it, which is precisely what you are suggesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyenRCJ_4Ww


What if you would find a planet with a population that has inferior technology and they would be at war with eachother constantly.
Would you bring peace( by force that is)?
as long as they stayed on their side of the freence FUCK NO! I cold get some popcorn and a beer. Now what I would do is offer them amnesty if they wanted to come over to my side, that they should all do between each other

Would you leave your enemy alone, so he can muster more manpower to kill you?

governments the constructs of the extremely wealthy wage war upon each other and drag peaceful people into it against their will.

Are you sure a world without intervention is better?

always, granted there are always exceptions to the rule, but in the final analysis they are far and few between.

Why do they always mention Vietnam but not Korea?
Ah the horror...

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Mayflower Compact : 1620
Agreement Between the Settlers at New Plymouth : 1620

IN THE NAME OF GOD, AMEN. We, whose names are underwritten, the Loyal Subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith, &c. Having undertaken for the Glory of God, and Advancement of the Christian Faith, and the Honour of our King and Country, a Voyage to plant the first Colony in the northern Parts of Virginia; Do by these Presents, solemnly and mutually, in the Presence of God and one another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil Body Politick, for our better Ordering and Preservation, and Furtherance of the Ends aforesaid: And by Virtue hereof do enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal Laws, Ordinances, Acts, Constitutions, and Officers, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general Good of the Colony; unto which we promise all due Submission and Obedience. IN WITNESS whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape-Cod the eleventh of November, in the Reign of our Sovereign Lord King James, of England, France, and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth, Anno Domini; 1620.

Mr. John Carver,
Mr. William Bradford,

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And now the noble oppressed arabs can go back to pre colonial times and,kill each other of without,western interference.

The west was able to conquer those places becuase they,were too busy,killing each other and stabbing,each other,in the back. Colonialism didnt create these problems, borders were fought over long before we arrived.

In fact, the classic colonial tactic is to allie with an oppressed minority, use them to rule the prevliously oppressive majority, so when we leave shit,will go back to the hellhole they were before.

Look at the best ex colonies, mostly british...

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Will this do?

No.

Dwelling in cities these days is insufficient to qualify as a civilization.

Civilization requires what we today define as civilized behavior. Such as no torture of animals nor people. That means that such cultures as the Chinese and lots of other Asian peoples do not qualify; nor do Muslims, nor do the waterboarding USA Americans. (Remember Abu Ghraib?)

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ORIGINAL: Rule

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Will this do?

No.

Dwelling in cities these days is insufficient to qualify as a civilization.

Civilization requires what we today define as civilized behavior. Such as no torture of animals nor people. That means that such cultures as the Chinese and lots of other Asian peoples do not qualify; nor do Muslims, nor do the waterboarding USA Americans. (Remember Abu Ghraib?)

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Few would contest the idea that Israel is a client state of the Us.

We are speaking here about colonies. Not about supposed "client states". You change the terms.

And I know nobody mentally sane who would say that the USA and Israel have the same kind of relation as the USA and Afghanistan or Iraq, or as Israel and the Palestinian territories, which was the kind of relation mentioned in the OP.

So, you are missing the point.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
Few would contest the idea that Israel is a client state of the Us.

We are speaking here about colonies. Not about supposed "client states". You change the terms.

And I know nobody mentally sane who would say that the USA and Israel have the same kind of relation as the USA and Afghanistan or Iraq, or as Israel and the Palestinian territories, which was the kind of relation mentioned in the OP.

So, you are missing the point.

Client states. Colonies. All are points on a continuum of tools of statecraft.

This is all so obvious and pethetically inane.

Colonies are bad. (So says the new power structure wanting to devolve power upon itself).
Power is neither good nor evil - it simply is. Having power is good for the group that has it. Is American power good - yes. If you're American. Or more broadly a beneficiary of post wwII western values.

Would I rather live under an American system than a Muslim one? Damn straight.
Would I rather live in colonial rhodesia or Mugabe's Zimbabwe. Yep, Rhodesia wins hands down white or black because either way I wasn't starving.

Would I rather china had remained impoverished and under the chains of communism as in the 50's as opposed to capitalism in the 90's. Yes. Because while the conflict was 'hard' china had little soft influence and little ability to influence world events outside its borders.