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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Turns out it was well known that Afghanistan had large reserves of oil since the 1960s.

Tells you a lot about our media that they keep repeatting the bullshit these are "new" finds.

So, our record for invading countries with oil still hovers around around 100%. It was why we were in Vietnam too.

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Turns out it was well known that Afghanistan had large reserves of oil since the 1960s.

Tells you a lot about our media that they keep repeatting the bullshit these are "new" finds.

So, our record for invading countries with oil still hovers around around 100%. It was why we were in Vietnam too.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Turns out it was well known that Afghanistan had large reserves of oil since the 1960s.

Tells you a lot about our media that they keep repeatting the bullshit these are "new" finds.

So, our record for invading countries with oil still hovers around around 100%. It was why we were in Vietnam too.

Where do you guys come up with this crap?

Sure, there is oil in afghanistan. But you'd think that if oil were the reason that we'd like.. get some of it?
Oil never materially figured into the afghanistan war. Nor into vietnam. Or canada (1812) for that matter. Nor the phillipines. Nor grenada. Nor panama. Nor cuba.

We didn't invade iraq for oil - in fact as the department of energy website shows, http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_impcus_a2_nus_ep00_im0_mbbl_m.htm - we imported 13 m barrels out of somethike 489m barrels - or less than 2%.

The fact is that our largest source is is the US followed thereafter by canada 90m, saudi arabia 40m, then somewhere around there come mexico venezuela, columbia, russia....

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: Rule

Yes, oil in Afghanistan. I have been told by an Afghan that they have oil.

the taliban rejected their running a pipeline and of course the british being the shining example of civilization called upon the indebted colonies for support to civilize afghanastan and force them to accept a civilized pipeline the same way they forced opuim usage upon the chinese.

by civilized negotiations at the end of the barrel of a gun, same way taxes are enforced here in lower canada

Laughable bullshit from you yet again. I wont ask for proof since you dont have any. Hillwilliams link kinda nails your lies.

Only a few idots think the UK can control US foreign policy, and none of them live in the UK...... go figure who I mean.

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

Excerpt from a speech delivered in 1933, by Major General Smedley Butler, USMC.

War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses.

I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag.

I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.

There isn't a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its "finger men" to point out enemies, its "muscle men" to destroy enemies, its "brain men" to plan war preparations, and a "Big Boss" Super-Nationalistic-Capitalism.

It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty- three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.

I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.

I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.

During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

There is no "us" in oil. Its about profits for standard oil...they dont have to sell it here to make vast sums of money.

Frankly, I was surprised reading a few of tge things this thread inspired me to search for.

I.just started by googling russian oil discovery afghanistan.

We die, they profit

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ORIGINAL: MrBukani

America was once a colony.
England has had many invaders who colonized.
The greeks had colonies all over the place.
The persians did it and the egyptians did it.
And Alexander the Great did it.
So there you have it.
What was the effect of colonizing besides all the bad things.

You don't see any good in the long run?
You see no exchange of ideas, technology and culture?

What if you would find a planet with a population that has inferior technology and they would be at war with eachother constantly.
Would you bring peace( by force that is)?
Would you leave your enemy alone, so he can muster more manpower to kill you?
Are you sure a world without intervention is better?
Why do they always mention Vietnam but not Korea?
Ah the horror...

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If you track Standard Oils interests, america's military or cia follows and if you can see their future interests you coul probably predict our future wars.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

just american social security lmao

lies? shame on you lucky.

might want to work on those comprehension skills.

see producing oil has nothing to do with and is an entirely different thing that having oil.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

I didn't say we never invaded anyone for oi. I said we didn't invade afghanistan for oil.

Reading comprehension, 3rd grade. Don't have any facts pound the table.
I provided the link that showed we imported zero oil from afghanistan. You, to the contrary have provided zero facts.

The afghan oil fields were shut down prior to american invsion, fwiw.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

just american social security lmao

lies? shame on you lucky.

might want to work on those comprehension skills.

see producing oil has nothing to do with and is an entirely different thing that having oil.

More rambling from you. This post doesnt make sense grammatically, let alone the content.

The fact it isnt any use invading for oil, if you dont produce any, seems to much for you to grasp.

If you think I am lucky, you are more deluded than I ever gave you credit for.

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As for 'moral superiority' - well, your argument is absurd on its face. No group is more 'moral' than another.
[..]
Muslim culture puts concerns of state under the concerns of religion (uma) and hence subrogates the rights of minorities. Subrogates the rights of women. In some places encourages suicide bombing. Muslim nations usuallly fracture along tribal lines as well.

Democracies, in contrast, provide a peaceful way for the political process to occur. Are they subject to abuse. Absolutely. Are they instable - absolutely. Can they devolve into statism. Absolutely.
[...]
Frankly, the middle east is heading toward another conflict. Israel and the US should hope it occurs before Russia and Chinese power eclipse us further.