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RE: Racism & Sour Grapes in One Fell Swoop - 6/26/2013 9:04:24 PM   
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I remember a senator, back in the 90s that used the word "niggardly" in a floor speech about the budget (I think) and was immediately decried as a racist (by people that were so ignorant, they couldn't be bothered to look up the word).


David Howard, a white aide to Anthony A. Williams, the black mayor of Washington, D.C.,

Howard was the one who resigned, not the Mayor

And, lookie here....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/longterm/williams/williams020499.htm

He was rehired.

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Of course, the senator in question was a republican and the dems didn't rest until he resigned; over a word that was used correctly and has no racial overtones, what-so-ever.


Would be nice if you got the story straight.



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RE: Racism & Sour Grapes in One Fell Swoop - 6/26/2013 11:12:18 PM   
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I agree that "Uncle Tom" has a pejorative meaning. But Clarence Thomas fits the description to a "t". I know of no other justice who routinely votes against the interests of people with whom he shares the same racial background.

My African American friends don't like Clarence Thomas. They view him as a "sell-out", in other words, as an "Uncle Tom".

I don't find it racist when used in this particular way. Somehow, it actually seems incredibly accurate and insightful.


I have never cared for Clarence Thomas, nor do I "like" him.
I don't care if the term "Uncle Tom" fits him to a T, to the point that when you google the definition, you see a picture of him in wikipedia.

When we are willing to accept and allow people to hurl racist insults, and we deem it "okay", because it fits how "someone acts", we lower ourselves.

The next time someone hurls an insulting stereotype based on age, race, creed, color, sex, national origin, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, disability, marital status, and/or socioeconomic status, I want everyone that thinks it's no big deal or "okay", to wink and nod.

It's either acceptable or unacceptable, I don't care how much the shoe fits.

Pot kettle black to those who think he deserves it.


Just because someone behaves in a certain way, does not mean they "deserve" to publically be called something derogatory, nor are you the judge who gets to decide when racial insults are acceptable or unacceptable.


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RE: Racism & Sour Grapes in One Fell Swoop - 6/26/2013 11:24:46 PM   
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I agree that "Uncle Tom" has a pejorative meaning. But Clarence Thomas fits the description to a "t". I know of no other justice who routinely votes against the interests of people with whom he shares the same racial background.

My African American friends don't like Clarence Thomas. They view him as a "sell-out", in other words, as an "Uncle Tom".

I don't find it racist when used in this particular way. Somehow, it actually seems incredibly accurate and insightful.



The above, in red, is racist in and of itself; to assume that all people of a particular ethnicity will share a brain just might be the worst kind of racism. "Sorry, you can't think differently from the other black folks!" Seriously?



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RE: Racism & Sour Grapes in One Fell Swoop - 6/26/2013 11:31:40 PM   
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And this guy is not a supporter of Civil Rights?

Now granted he has said that the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment should be all the civil rights law the country needs, however I tend to think that some people need it spelled out for them.

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RE: Racism & Sour Grapes in One Fell Swoop - 6/26/2013 11:32:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

....and, yet, "Uncle Tom", in the way that the words are understood, i.e., "a black person considered to be excessively obedient or servile", it seems to apply quite aptly to Clarence Thomas (whose oral argument and voting record on SCOTUS reflect someone who simply follows what the conservative male justices do without having a lot of original thought). The phrase "Uncle Tom" has become an epithet for a person who is slavish and excessively subservient to perceived authority figures, particularly a black person who behaves in a subservient manner to white people; or any person perceived to be a participant in the oppression of their own group. The negative epithet is the result of later works derived from the original novel. (from Wiki) In the original novel Uncle Tom is portrayed as a "good black". But since then, the term has taken on a more pejorative meaning.

I agree that "Uncle Tom" has a pejorative meaning. But Clarence Thomas fits the description to a "t". I know of no other justice who routinely votes against the interests of people with whom he shares the same racial background.

My African American friends don't like Clarence Thomas. They view him as a "sell-out", in other words, as an "Uncle Tom".

I don't find it racist when used in this particular way. Somehow, it actually seems incredibly accurate and insightful.


Oh boy. Where to start with this one.

A). I think this says more about you and your friends than it does about Clarence Thomas. For example that you are willing to cast aspersions on his character, engage in name calling simply because you don't like his politics.

B). I realize people like Alycee Hastings, Marion Bradley, Randall Jefferson, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson Jr, Charlie Rangel are more popular with your crowd. But to say that Clarence Thomas routinely votes against the interests of people of his color is.. well.. despicable.

Lets look at the how well blacks have done under Democratic tutelage.

Turn of the century - % of 2 family homes: 98% (higher than whites as a matter of fact). Now 35% of black children have two parent homes
% of children born out of wedlock - less than 5%. Now 70% of black children are born out of wedlock.
% of black men in jail exceed the percent in college.
The National bureau of Economic research reports that economic segregation INCREASED.

There has been no change in black unemployment (relative to whites) since statistics first started taking place.
African males participation in college, in medicine and in most professional fields has CRATERED, lower now than 32 years ago.

So - sorry I have a hard time believing that Clarence Thomas is voting against his races best interest's. He's just voting against the DEMOCRATS and against the disastrous policies that have created a disastrous subculture for blacks.




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RE: Racism & Sour Grapes in One Fell Swoop - 6/26/2013 11:35:57 PM   
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They are going to make each state fight to get back onto some list, because that is basically what they said was unconstitutional.... the lists of states still under a watchful eye. So now it will have to be proven, once again, that discrimination is a problem.

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RE: Racism & Sour Grapes in One Fell Swoop - 6/26/2013 11:37:37 PM   
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Look the states already discriminate against overweight white males over the age of 50 with a thing for red heads and irish accents.

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RE: Racism & Sour Grapes in One Fell Swoop - 6/26/2013 11:42:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

They are going to make each state fight to get back onto some list, because that is basically what they said was unconstitutional.... the lists of states still under a watchful eye. So now it will have to be proven, once again, that discrimination is a problem.


Not a chance in hell unless congress is swept by democrats.

Even if so, the Supremes would rule against. It isn't a question of whether discrimination exists.
The question is: is discrimination pervasive?
Is it not only significantly worse but not remediable through other means.

Which is how it should be.

And as I said taz - you shouldn't be cheering such a result. The republicans would never do it (more the pity) but they could just as well put every single democrat state under voting rights restrictions in the same manner. For example use the philaelphia black panther initimidation case to prove that whites were discriminated against.

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RE: Racism & Sour Grapes in One Fell Swoop - 6/26/2013 11:50:28 PM   
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Who is cheering? Certainly not me. Congress, as it stands, wont do jack. So the suits will continue. People denied the ability to vote for many reasons. Clogging up the system, backed by the ACLU and every lawyer smelling money. Enough suits and you have your "pervasive". One thing is for sure... voters will come out next election.

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RE: Racism & Sour Grapes in One Fell Swoop - 6/27/2013 6:17:44 AM   
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With anti-populist policies, the Republicans will never be the party of "get-out-the-vote." Voter fraud is no a problem. There are very few if any recorded cases of it, yet Republicans want to change the voting laws to "protect against it."


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RE: Racism & Sour Grapes in One Fell Swoop - 6/27/2013 7:06:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I find it astounding that so many have not read Adam Smith, but run their mouth about what it says in full twist. I will now add to that Uncle Tom's Cabin.

Thats all on this.


If it walks like a duck,quacks like a duck and shits through feathers then he is a black man who wants to perpetuate a power structure that mitigates against blacks.

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RE: Racism & Sour Grapes in One Fell Swoop - 6/27/2013 7:15:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Remember that senator a few years back who called a guy who was following him everywhere he went, a "macah cah" or something like that?
No-one ever heard of the "word" before or even knew if it (was) a word but they started calling him a "racist!" lol
"You're a GOOBA GOOBA!"
"Racist!"



I remember a senator, back in the 90s that used the word "niggardly" in a floor speech about the budget (I think) and was immediately decried as a racist (by people that were so ignorant, they couldn't be bothered to look up the word).

Of course, the senator in question was a republican and the dems didn't rest until he resigned; over a word that was used correctly and has no racial overtones, what-so-ever.

It's a beautiful life, down there in D.C.



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Since this only happened in your mind why are you posting this mind numbingingly stupid shit here?

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RE: Racism & Sour Grapes in One Fell Swoop - 6/27/2013 2:41:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Marini

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I agree that "Uncle Tom" has a pejorative meaning. But Clarence Thomas fits the description to a "t". I know of no other justice who routinely votes against the interests of people with whom he shares the same racial background.

My African American friends don't like Clarence Thomas. They view him as a "sell-out", in other words, as an "Uncle Tom".

I don't find it racist when used in this particular way. Somehow, it actually seems incredibly accurate and insightful.


I have never cared for Clarence Thomas, nor do I "like" him.
I don't care if the term "Uncle Tom" fits him to a T, to the point that when you google the definition, you see a picture of him in wikipedia.

When we are willing to accept and allow people to hurl racist insults, and we deem it "okay", because it fits how "someone acts", we lower ourselves.

The next time someone hurls an insulting stereotype based on age, race, creed, color, sex, national origin, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, disability, marital status, and/or socioeconomic status, I want everyone that thinks it's no big deal or "okay", to wink and nod.

It's either acceptable or unacceptable, I don't care how much the shoe fits.

Pot kettle black to those who think he deserves it.


Just because someone behaves in a certain way, does not mean they "deserve" to publically be called something derogatory, nor are you the judge who gets to decide when racial insults are acceptable or unacceptable.


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The insult is not based on age, race, creed, color, sex, national origin, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, disability, marital status, and/or socioeconomic status. It is based on the fact that Clarence Thomas does not have an independent mind when it comes to his role as a Supreme Court justice. Anyone who follows SCOTUS knows that.

As for you feeling that I should not be the judge of what is acceptable, then let me ask you this. Why are YOU the judge, then? What makes you so special that YOU can be the judge, but no one else can. It seems to me that everyone on this thread is judging one way or other - we are all making a judgment. Just because my opinion differs from yours does NOT make your opinion correct. If YOU can be the judge, then guess what, so can I. YOU don't have a monopoly on being able to judge whether this insult is acceptable or not. You feel the statement is unacceptable; I feel it is acceptable. You can't tell someone they are not entitled to form an opinion. I state very clearly in my post that "I don't find it racist when used in this particular way". That is MY opinion only.

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RE: Racism & Sour Grapes in One Fell Swoop - 6/27/2013 3:06:24 PM   
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Many people realize that calling a Black man an "Uncle Tom", is a racial insult.
That means this is an insult based on RACE.



The beauty of the message boards is we don't all have to agree.
I can agree to disagree.

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RE: Racism & Sour Grapes in One Fell Swoop - 6/27/2013 3:24:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Marini

Many people realize that calling a Black man an "Uncle Tom", is a racial insult.
That means this is an insult based on RACE.



The beauty of the message boards is we don't all have to agree.
I can agree to disagree.

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To call stokley carmichel an uncle tom would be a racial insult....to call clarence thomas an uncle tom is a statement of fact.

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RE: Racism & Sour Grapes in One Fell Swoop - 6/27/2013 3:27:24 PM   
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And this guy is not a supporter of Civil Rights?


You have shown us the jobs he had...will you show us what he did in support of civil rights?

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RE: Racism & Sour Grapes in One Fell Swoop - 6/27/2013 3:31:56 PM   
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Look the states already discriminate against overweight white males over the age of 50 with a thing for red heads and irish accents.

I just gotta ask, how?

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RE: Racism & Sour Grapes in One Fell Swoop - 6/27/2013 3:44:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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I agree that "Uncle Tom" has a pejorative meaning. But Clarence Thomas fits the description to a "t". I know of no other justice who routinely votes against the interests of people with whom he shares the same racial background.

My African American friends don't like Clarence Thomas. They view him as a "sell-out", in other words, as an "Uncle Tom".

I don't find it racist when used in this particular way. Somehow, it actually seems incredibly accurate and insightful.



The above, in red, is racist in and of itself; to assume that all people of a particular ethnicity will share a brain just might be the worst kind of racism. "Sorry, you can't think differently from the other black folks!" Seriously?



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Well racial 'background' is a bad word as in opposed to 'racial foreground' whatever either are supposed to mean.

My whole problem with Thomas rests on two factors...one during confirmation hearings, the other since coming to the bench.

He made it plainly clear that he would rule against further affirmative action efforts to ameliorate the effects of educational and certain occupational discrimination despite the fact that it was he who directly benefited from such programs.

Since taking the bench, he has said and used his position there the least of all remembered and recorded justices in the past. Giving him a chance...he is Scalia's judicial lap dog.

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RE: Racism & Sour Grapes in One Fell Swoop - 6/27/2013 3:51:07 PM   
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Look the states already discriminate against overweight white males over the age of 50 with a thing for red heads and irish accents.

...ain't it the truth. ...and me being an Irish protestant at that...the most oppressed white people on earth...hey.

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RE: Racism & Sour Grapes in One Fell Swoop - 6/27/2013 4:06:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I find it astounding that so many have not read Adam Smith, but run their mouth about what it says in full twist. I will now add to that Uncle Tom's Cabin.

Thats all on this.

What about Adam Smith ? I am curious.

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