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BitYakin -> RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE (6/28/2013 10:16:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Owner59


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Owner59

If George had stayed in/at his car, the boy would have made it home.





There would have been no incident.




There is no denying that.




If his response to what are you doing here had been I just moved in with my dad instead of attacking Zimmerman he would still be alive. No denying that.


The kid was walking home from the store, minding his own business......just like millions of kids do every day....


The killer was NOT minding his own business and fucked up because of that, big time.






ummmm since he is neighborhood watch, watching kinda IS his business




TheHeretic -> RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE (6/28/2013 11:19:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

Are folks actually watching the whole trial?




That isn't what troubles me, DC. For some, it's all they have to do all day. What I find a bit bothersome is that there is an actual trial going on, actual evidence is being presented, and the discussion still centers on people seeing only what reinforces the snap value judgements they made better than a year ago, and even carrying on all over again about thoroughly debunked myths from the early media storm.





Rule -> RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE (6/28/2013 11:25:42 PM)

Well, there are a lot of people with peculiar minds that frequent this website and these forums...

I find it quite interesting that they cannot discern truth nor reality.




BamaD -> RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE (6/29/2013 1:15:24 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Rule

Well, there are a lot of people with peculiar minds that frequent this website and these forums...

I find it quite interesting that they cannot discern truth nor reality.

I have been surprised the coverage I have seen. It looks almost like the prosecution originally thought this would be a waste of time.




DomKen -> RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE (6/29/2013 5:27:41 AM)


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ummmm since he is neighborhood watch, watching kinda IS his business

Actually he was not part of any organized neighborhood watch. He is what cops call a wannabe. In short he is a guy who cannot get a LEO job but still acts like he is one. They are considered to be the people most likely to do stupid stuff exactly like Zimmerman.

A real neighborhood watch would have known not to confront Martin.




Rule -> RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE (6/29/2013 5:43:24 AM)

If I recall correctly, it was Martin who confronted Zimmerman.




mnottertail -> RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE (6/29/2013 6:43:13 AM)

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So now we are going to be left with the 2 (a) scenario, at what point did he try desperately to get away from him? If he did not try before on the ground, or madly while on the ground (and there would be some hella evidence on Martin) I would say that the statute says, he is as fucked as xaviera hollander.


There is case law in Florida where the appellate court ruled that simply being staggered or off balance was sufficient to not have a reasonable ability to retreat. So being on the ground with Trayvon on top, as was established in trial today, has George covered.


Hardly. He made no attempt (by his own admission) to retreat at all, he confronted. That's why the case is not looking good for him.


And I doubt that is what exactly that appellate case said, perhaps you could show me a link to that case.




Raiikun -> RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE (6/29/2013 6:56:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

So now we are going to be left with the 2 (a) scenario, at what point did he try desperately to get away from him? If he did not try before on the ground, or madly while on the ground (and there would be some hella evidence on Martin) I would say that the statute says, he is as fucked as xaviera hollander.


There is case law in Florida where the appellate court ruled that simply being staggered or off balance was sufficient to not have a reasonable ability to retreat. So being on the ground with Trayvon on top, as was established in trial today, has George covered.


Hardly. He made no attempt (by his own admission) to retreat at all, he confronted. That's why the case is not looking good for him.


And I doubt that is what exactly that appellate case said, perhaps you could show me a link to that case.


There is nothing in evidence to demonstrate George confronted anyone after a week of trial. And if he did, the duty to retreat would be at when the use of force occurred, at which time George was pinned to the ground.

That's why legal analysts are becoming increasingly vocal as the trial continues that George is likely to be acquitted.




Raiikun -> RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE (6/29/2013 6:59:03 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Owner59

If George had stayed in/at his car, the boy would have made it home.





There would have been no incident.




There is no denying that.





Of course George had no legal obligation to stay in the truck.
If Trayvon had not punched George in the nose and pinned him to the ground, they would both still be alive.





Raiikun -> RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE (6/29/2013 7:00:46 AM)


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ROFLMAO

The undisputed testimony is that he did make it home.


Yup.

About 20-30 feet from his own back door.......where the killer followed him......many hundreds feet from his own car....


Do the math.

~~~~~~~~~~~

Just saw this.......West`s next gaff to apologize for.......





False. The fight occurred over 300 feet from Trayvon's home, about 150' from George's truck.




DomKen -> RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE (6/29/2013 7:01:20 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

There is nothing in evidence to demonstrate George confronted anyone after a week of trial. And if he did, the duty to retreat would be at when the use of force occurred, at which time George was pinned to the ground.

That's why legal analysts are becoming increasingly vocal as the trial continues that George is likely to be acquitted.

So Martin rushed up to Zimmerman who wasn't following him and attacked him for absolutely no reason and with no warning. An attack so fast and devastating that Zimmerman was immediately on his back and helpless to defend himself except by drawing a gun and killing Martin.

Is that really what you're claiming?




Raiikun -> RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE (6/29/2013 7:03:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

There is nothing in evidence to demonstrate George confronted anyone after a week of trial. And if he did, the duty to retreat would be at when the use of force occurred, at which time George was pinned to the ground.

That's why legal analysts are becoming increasingly vocal as the trial continues that George is likely to be acquitted.

So Martin rushed up to Zimmerman who wasn't following him and attacked him for absolutely no reason and with no warning. An attack so fast and devastating that Zimmerman was immediately on his back and helpless to defend himself except by drawing a gun and killing Martin.

Is that really what you're claiming?


The State seems to be doing a poor job of showing any evidence to the contrary. Evidence does strongly indicate that George had ceased following when advised to do so, as the fight started at the same spot where George agreed to not follow.




mnottertail -> RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE (6/29/2013 7:08:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Raiikun


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

So now we are going to be left with the 2 (a) scenario, at what point did he try desperately to get away from him? If he did not try before on the ground, or madly while on the ground (and there would be some hella evidence on Martin) I would say that the statute says, he is as fucked as xaviera hollander.


There is case law in Florida where the appellate court ruled that simply being staggered or off balance was sufficient to not have a reasonable ability to retreat. So being on the ground with Trayvon on top, as was established in trial today, has George covered.


Hardly. He made no attempt (by his own admission) to retreat at all, he confronted. That's why the case is not looking good for him.


And I doubt that is what exactly that appellate case said, perhaps you could show me a link to that case.


There is nothing in evidence to demonstrate George confronted anyone after a week of trial. And if he did, the duty to retreat would be at when the use of force occurred, at which time George was pinned to the ground.

That's why legal analysts are becoming increasingly vocal as the trial continues that George is likely to be acquitted.



Well, of course this is asswipe, much like your very ignorant round of asswipe regarding stand your ground........uh, he did more than stand his ground, he stood someone elses, thats why that was a loser from the get go. that was a walk, wasn't it?

Yeah, there is some iffy whether or not he will meet the statute as I have posted.





Raiikun -> RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE (6/29/2013 7:09:04 AM)

Oh, I see legal analysts are saying that the prosecution just open the door wide open for the Defense to introduce evidence of Trayvon's experience fighting.




Raiikun -> RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE (6/29/2013 7:10:25 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail


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ORIGINAL: Raiikun


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

So now we are going to be left with the 2 (a) scenario, at what point did he try desperately to get away from him? If he did not try before on the ground, or madly while on the ground (and there would be some hella evidence on Martin) I would say that the statute says, he is as fucked as xaviera hollander.


There is case law in Florida where the appellate court ruled that simply being staggered or off balance was sufficient to not have a reasonable ability to retreat. So being on the ground with Trayvon on top, as was established in trial today, has George covered.


Hardly. He made no attempt (by his own admission) to retreat at all, he confronted. That's why the case is not looking good for him.


And I doubt that is what exactly that appellate case said, perhaps you could show me a link to that case.


There is nothing in evidence to demonstrate George confronted anyone after a week of trial. And if he did, the duty to retreat would be at when the use of force occurred, at which time George was pinned to the ground.

That's why legal analysts are becoming increasingly vocal as the trial continues that George is likely to be acquitted.



Well, of course this is asswipe, much like your very ignorant round of asswipe regarding stand your ground........uh, he did more than stand his ground, he stood someone elses, thats why that was a loser from the get go. that was a walk, wasn't it?

Yeah, there is some iffy whether or not he will meet the statute as I have posted.




Using colorful language doesn't make you any less wrong.




Raiikun -> RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE (6/29/2013 7:14:55 AM)

As Mark O'Mara put it -

As to the "Stand Your Ground" portion, the Legislature expanded self-defense to include a right of not having to retreat before utilizing deadly force. While that right always existed in one's home (the Castle Doctrine), the 2005 Legislature expanded it to any place where you are allowed to lawfully be. Under that portion of the statute, a person does not have to retreat before utilizing deadly force if that person has reasonable fear of imminent great bodily injury.

If the "Stand Your Ground" portion of the law was to be applied to the Zimmerman Case, even if George had an ability to retreat, he would not be required to do so before utilizing deadly force. In this particular case, George did not have an ability to retreat because he was on the ground with Trayvon Martin mounting him, striking blows, therefore the "Stand Your Ground" "benefit" given by the statute simply does not apply to the facts of George's case: it is traditional self-defense.




Raiikun -> RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE (6/29/2013 7:22:29 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Well, George starting out at his car and ending up just behind the kids home tells normal folks that he closed the distance between them.......ie pursued him.



There was no 'behind Trayvon's home'. Multiple witnesses heard the fight start over 300 feet away, much nearer to George's truck than Trayvon's home.




mnottertail -> RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE (6/29/2013 7:23:57 AM)

Exactly. So like I said, the noble stand your ground defense yiu put up and was such a winner turned into a dog. The legal analysts are pretty much wrong, because it was already ruled that it has no bearing since Geo didnt know anything about Martin. And it would hurt his case more than help to bring it up.




Raiikun -> RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE (6/29/2013 7:24:55 AM)

Also fascinating... With all the national appearances Trayvon's mom made talking about how good he was...Trayvon's text messages show that she had kicked him out of the house for causing trouble.




Raiikun -> RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE (6/29/2013 7:27:24 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Exactly. So like I said, the noble stand your ground defense yiu put up and was such a winner turned into a dog. The legal analysts are pretty much wrong, because it was already ruled that it has no bearing since Geo didnt know anything about Martin. And it would hurt his case more than help to bring it up.


Evidence about fighting doesn't require George to know anything about Trayvon. The jury is allowed to use comparative physical abilities of the two in their judgement, so Trayvon's experience fighting would go to that.




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