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tazzygirl post 839: The photo showing the swelling was photoshopped.

About this photoshopping you've mentioned before. One pic you showed days ago seemed possible. I'm curious any accusations in court yet about evidence tampering? Even relating to not-entered evidence, for the sake of tainting credibility or discovery of one side? Only place I've seen this, is in you're set of side by side demo.

Though the prosecution medical testimony included front and back of head and acknowledged the severity could be explained by hitting concrete.

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tazzygirl post 839: The photo showing the swelling was photoshopped.

About this photoshopping you've mentioned before. One pic you showed days ago seemed possible. I'm curious any accusations in court yet about evidence tampering? Even relating to not-entered evidence, for the sake of tainting credibility or discovery of one side? Only place I've seen this, is in you're set of side by side demo.

Though the prosecution medical testimony included front and back of head and acknowledged the severity could be explained by hitting concrete.

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That is not the definition used in Florida, and the jury instructions say nothing about putting themselves in the decadent's shoes.

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tazzygirl post 839: The photo showing the swelling was photoshopped.

About this photoshopping you've mentioned before. One pic you showed days ago seemed possible. I'm curious any accusations in court yet about evidence tampering? Even relating to not-entered evidence, for the sake of tainting credibility or discovery of one side? Only place I've seen this, is in you're set of side by side demo.

Though the prosecution medical testimony included front and back of head and acknowledged the severity could be explained by hitting concrete.

People are still claiming that photo was photoshopped? Lol

That was the picture taken at the request of Jenna Lauer the night of the shooting to identify George, and she testified that she couldn't recognize George from the photo. That photo is already in evidence at trial. People should give up the 'photoshop' allegations.

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 Wendel post127: In my experience of fighting no matter what training you have very swiftly it will devolve into a flailing brawl with no technique whatsoever with the outcome determined by who is the most aggresive [up up for it] and who is physically stronger.

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Short question: can sombody enlighten me as to how long the trial is expected to last?

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Thanks Tazz for reminding me that T had what's called in boxing, the reach advantage.


On a separate note, when an altercation continues beyond a knockdown, unlike a competitive bout, then it's no longer about enforcing your position. In street fights, when the upper aggressor continues pummeling, while the lower recipient is down and disadvantaged, it has becomes about mauling your adversary. Kicking them when they're down. Grievous bodily harm. Qualifying them for a handicapped parking sticker for life, if they're lucky.

Z had a scratch to his nose and a bloody nose. A smart street fighter would have kicked if he had knocked his opponent to the ground, dont ya think? Thats always been my experience when watching my brothers fight dirty. The photo showing the swelling was photoshopped.

3 witnesses had Z on top... just sayin

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Selma Mora testified she saw Zimmerman on top earlier.

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John Good testified that he saw Zimmerman and Martin vertical..that proves Zimmerman had an opportunity to run away when he was on top or when they were both standing, and didn't take it..

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I am still waiting on the appellate court citation, btw.

From Jenkins vs State of Florida, 2006

"Further, it was only upon the occurrence of this attack that any “duty to retreat” arose.   The State failed to present evidence, however, that Mr. Jenkins could have reasonably retreated from this fight once it began.   The State's witnesses testified that during this brief moment in time, there was no reasonable opportunity to retreat.   Rather, the eyewitnesses saw Mr. Jenkins “wobbled” and his knees “buckled,” and testified that Mr. Jenkins had no time to retreat before Mr. Cerezo charged at him a second time.6  It was only at this point-faced with a serious aggressor and no avenue of retreat-that Mr. Jenkins pulled out his knife."

The court ruled that "wobbling and buckled knees" was sufficient to have no avenue of retreat. Thus, being on the ground while attacked certainly meets that too.

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The State's witnesses testified that during this brief moment in time, there was no reasonable opportunity to retreat.   Rather, the eyewitnesses saw Mr. Jenkins “wobbled” and his knees “buckled,” and testified that Mr. Jenkins had no time to retreat before Mr. Cerezo

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I am still waiting on the appellate court citation, btw.

From Jenkins vs State of Florida, 2006

"Further, it was only upon the occurrence of this attack that any “duty to retreat” arose.   The State failed to present evidence, however, that Mr. Jenkins could have reasonably retreated from this fight once it began.   The State's witnesses testified that during this brief moment in time, there was no reasonable opportunity to retreat.   Rather, the eyewitnesses saw Mr. Jenkins “wobbled” and his knees “buckled,” and testified that Mr. Jenkins had no time to retreat before Mr. Cerezo charged at him a second time.6  It was only at this point-faced with a serious aggressor and no avenue of retreat-that Mr. Jenkins pulled out his knife."

The court ruled that "wobbling and buckled knees" was sufficient to have no avenue of retreat. Thus, being on the ground while attacked certainly meets that too.

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The State's witnesses testified that during this brief moment in time, there was no reasonable opportunity to retreat.   Rather, the eyewitnesses saw Mr. Jenkins “wobbled” and his knees “buckled,” and testified that Mr. Jenkins had no time to retreat before Mr. Cerezo

Disingenuous asswipe. No wonder the case was not cited with a link.

Totally different circumstance and totally different standards applied:

http://www.2dca.org/opinion/October%2011,%202006/2D05-1780.pdf

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 In my experience of fighting no matter what training you have very swiftly it will devolve into a flailing brawl with no technique whatsoever with the outcome predetermined by who is the most aggresive ]up up for it] and who is physically stronger.

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Exactly, and you took the quote out of context, read the fucking thing. There was no ability to retreat (nor necessity to do so under the law) because he was AT HOME and the guy CAME THERE. As was said, where was he going to go?

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Actually a medical expert just testified under oath on Friday that the lacerations and many bumps on his head was consistent with it being smacked on concrete and that what George did to stop the attack could have saved his life.

Staying in his truck and letting professionals do their job could have saved his life too.

No medical expert testimony needed to figure that one out, for a sane person.

That is as absurd as telling a pedestrian hit on the sidewalk by a drunk driver 'if you had stayed at home, you wouldn't have gotten hit.'

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Actually a medical expert just testified under oath on Friday that the lacerations and many bumps on his head was consistent with it being smacked on concrete and that what George did to stop the attack could have saved his life.

Staying in his truck and letting professionals do their job could have saved his life too.

No medical expert testimony needed to figure that one out, for a sane person.

That is as absurd as telling a pedestrian hit on the sidewalk by a drunk driver 'if you had stayed at home, you wouldn't have gotten hit.'

Mice flailing.

Wandering around in the dark playing 'supercop' with your firearm in the wrong place (holster) against all guidelines for community watch is irresponsible as hell.

Walking down the sidewalk is an action that everyone is entitled to.

Next thing, you'll be saying that people who are out walking and get struck by lightning are irresponsible as well.

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Next thing, you'll be saying that people who are out walking and get struck by lightning are irresponsible as well.