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 ''Who told you that Zimmerman identified himself and asked Martin anything?'' Just read it in the myriad reports. I don't know if it's accurate or not like so much in this case. If it's not then it becomes Zimmerman walked after person. Again scarcely grounds to run at and deck him. Though again I must say I don't know if that's what happened. I'm seeing alot of people though saying that if it is how events played out Zimmerman was somehow culpable. In my opion that's more than a mild stretch.

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 Unless stalking [affravated or otherwise] is very different to our definition of it I wouldn't think Zimmerman was culpable. The only one I can see is murder of a human being. But if it in self defence then it becomes a justifiable homicide. I don't know if what Zimmerman is saying is true. He may have got his gun out told Martin he was about to die and Martin had no choice but a desperate attempt to disarm him...I just have no idea. But it seems to me the argument that he followed Martin and that makes him culpable or an attack on hum justified simply isn't  right Mnottertail.

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Aggravated stalking:
1. willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks another person and makes a credible threat with the intent to place that person in reasonable fear of death or bodily injury of the person, or the person's child, sibling, spouse, parent, or dependent; or


Exactly as it happened.

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Too bad for Zimmerman he had a neurological evaluation immediately following the killing, proving that there were no worries about any damage.

Zimmerman had a neurological evaluation immediately following the assault, proving to his vast relief he had taken action before any permanent damage had occurred.

Fixed it for you.

2.0cm and 0.5 cm scratches -- not even requiring a band-aid, does not GBH make. It's not what Zimmerman ( who was on drugs ) thought, but what the ladies on the jury would have thought while Zimmerman was chasing them.

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Read the specifications in the statute, in the charge, they arent charging him with aggravated stalking, they are charging him with murder in the second, one of the specs saying...............cmon, you can cogitate at a rather low level.

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I'd go further and say the 9mm short and most of weapons made to fire it should only be carried by people who want to get killed

What caliber/ammo do you prefer.
I always yammered on and on about my dislike of, say, .357 Mag, .44 Mag, .22 Mag, and any other cartridges such that the bullet would almost without fail exit the body of the target with enough remaining energy to kill someone else. Likewise ammo- FMJ, in many calibers, overpenetrates; hollow points and specialty (pre-fragmented) ammo impart more energy to the target, do more tissue damage to the target, and are less likely to pass through the target and kill an innocent bystander.

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I have no instance of you using the second degree murder specifications to refute stalking, and ignorance is only wielded by those who claim in the face of overwhelming evidence that he wasn't.

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I'd go further and say the 9mm short and most of weapons made to fire it should only be carried by people who want to get killed

What caliber/ammo do you prefer.
I always yammered on and on about my dislike of, say, .357 Mag, .44 Mag, .22 Mag, and any other cartridges such that the bullet would almost without fail exit the body of the target with enough remaining energy to kill someone else. Likewise ammo- FMJ, in many calibers, overpenetrates; hollow points and specialty (pre-fragmented) ammo impart more energy to the target, do more tissue damage to the target, and are less likely to pass through the target and kill an innocent bystander.

I don't think very highly of handguns. If I had to carry I'd carry a 1911 in .45ACP. Yes, it would over penetrate but it is reliable and it will kill anyone I have to shoot.

For home defense I prefer a .12 gauge.

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Now before we go on and on... show me a law where it says you cannot follow someone... then show me another law where you can't ask someone what are you doing here... then show me another law that says you have to run before you can defend yourself if attacked.

In the sane parts of the country, where the NRA isn't allowed to write laws, there is always a duty to retreat except when attacked in your own home.

In the insane parts of the country, where the liberals are allowed enact unconstitutional laws, there is a significantly higher possibility of being attacked in your own home.