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RE: all about you? - 6/27/2006 1:03:24 PM   
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I completely relate to this.  Aside from having a couple of hot buttons (obviously! ;) ), in general, I can see both sides of most issues so clearly that it is hard for me to take a stand on one side or the other.  I'm seem to have "devil's advocate" seared into my character.  It makes it hard for me to take stances on, for instance, abortion, death penalty, politics.  It also makes it very hard for me to view the current situation in the Middle East the way most of the public does, which leads to either 1) inharmonious interpersonal relations when I try to speak out, because no one *wants* to hear it; 2) sleepless nights and anger spells from clenching my teeth and being silent, or 3) isolation, because sometimes I just have to shut myself off in order to cope.  Too many people, too, consider that "understanding" is the same thing as "supporting" or condoning... the "you're either with us or you're against us" mentality.

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ORIGINAL: Caretakr
I may have a different take on this. I am often objective, and compartmentalized to extremes. I can take the totally alien within me, and explore it. I can be the liberal, the Islamic  terrorist, the child.....then I can step back out side,and say, "I know you."

And I no longer have to feel fear. I may not agree with who they are-or support them. But I have expanded my power.

To know a thing is to gain inner control over it- ignorance is not bliss, it is weakness.


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RE: all about you? - 6/27/2006 1:11:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyMorgynn

I completely relate to this.  Aside from having a couple of hot buttons (obviously! ;) ), in general, I can see both sides of most issues so clearly that it is hard for me to take a stand on one side or the other.  I'm seem to have "devil's advocate" seared into my character.  It makes it hard for me to take stances on, for instance, abortion, death penalty, politics.  It also makes it very hard for me to view the current situation in the Middle East the way most of the public does, which leads to either 1) inharmonious interpersonal relations when I try to speak out, because no one *wants* to hear it; 2) sleepless nights and anger spells from clenching my teeth and being silent, or 3) isolation, because sometimes I just have to shut myself off in order to cope.  Too many people, too, consider that "understanding" is the same thing as "supporting" or condoning... the "you're either with us or you're against us" mentality.

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ORIGINAL: Caretakr
I may have a different take on this. I am often objective, and compartmentalized to extremes. I can take the totally alien within me, and explore it. I can be the liberal, the Islamic  terrorist, the child.....then I can step back out side,and say, "I know you."

And I no longer have to feel fear. I may not agree with who they are-or support them. But I have expanded my power.

To know a thing is to gain inner control over it- ignorance is not bliss, it is weakness.



Personal biases  often act as dams that hold things inside,creating pools of poison-never healthy. I prefer to simply let information flow in and out of me in a harmless but educational manner.

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RE: all about you? - 6/27/2006 2:12:39 PM   
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   all about me ? If so...it is the Internet and these sites. Give this some thought...back in the day, it was no more about you or me than that first smile, or handshake or that first embrace. It wasn't about how eloquent or clever one could be in a profile (about me) or email (about me) they didn't exist. Any 'drama of rejection' was very short-lived and (LA, you continue to impress) no sub-sets or subcultures were formed or recognized if any were. All of this was underground and all realtime.

What is a letter or email and to a large extent...a profile ? It starts as a one way conversation with no give and take, so soon it can easily become a diatribe...a testimonial...with I, I...an advertisement...making it seem like it is...all about me...and for some, easily so.

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RE: all about you? - 6/27/2006 2:26:16 PM   
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when I use a reference to My past experiences it is because that is what i have to draw from to give advice or opinions. It also states that in a situation similar this is what happened and one possible outcome....though life is limitless and nothing is exactly the same However that said sometimes someone can learn from anothers similar experience so to throw it out there in hopes they can benefit from it is not necesarily selfish or attention grabbing though some do that and are little attention whores.

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RE: all about you? - 6/27/2006 2:30:02 PM   
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when I use a reference to My past experiences it is because that is what i have to draw from to give advice or opinions. It also states that in a situation similar this is what happened and one possible outcome....though life is limitless and nothing is exactly the same However that said sometimes someone can learn from anothers similar experience so to throw it out there in hopes they can benefit from it is not necesarily selfish or attention grabbing though some do that and are little attention whores.


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RE: all about you? - 6/27/2006 3:11:45 PM   
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At the core, we are ego-centric.  we automatically take things and filter it through in a way that we can relate to them.  Sometimes this is a good thing.  IE, it allows us to give empathy and love and respect.  But other times, we react negatively, it strikes our funny bone and we feel hurt.
 
It helps me to remember that anger is a secondary emotion.  It is built from pain or fear.
 
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RE: all about you? - 6/27/2006 3:18:21 PM   
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Wait it ISNT all about me???



sorry someone had to say it!!

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RE: all about you? - 6/27/2006 5:11:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Caretakr

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When one moves beyond the need for external validation in viewing the world,you begin to see the world-not merely your own tiny place within it.

That makes sense! Interesting viewpoints all around. Clarity is refreshing. The actual info, inspiring. Thanks.

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RE: all about you? - 6/27/2006 5:33:16 PM   
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the fundamental problem with that theory, caretakr, is that a ballistics engineer can be shot by a mortar just as well as a crack recruit. true, the engineer will know what caliber got him, if that's any consolation.

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RE: all about you? - 6/27/2006 5:57:52 PM   
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Can you please be  a little more vague and confusing?

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RE: all about you? - 6/27/2006 6:18:24 PM   
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I would rather accept one valid criticism of myself that sends me on the road to heaven-than ten thousand agreements that lead me to hell.

As would I.  I think one of the many problems today is the so-called evolution of man to a point of critical thinking that allows us to not be responsible for so very many things and yet, when something is said or done that addresses the general population as a whole, so many people can make it about them. 

If it's bad, I didn't do it.  If it's about society at large...it can't be, it must be about me.

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RE: all about you? - 6/27/2006 6:22:34 PM   
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at the core of every human being is an ego, and with out self evaluation and positive reinforcement the damn thing can go hay wire.
 
You see we all have a need to be right, about just about everything because if we are wrong, it is truly tererifying....now being wrong on facts figures and philosophy's is not sooooo bad, but to be wrong in in how you live your life well that is a world of pain, no one likes regrets, no one want to admit they dont know something, no one wants to be marginalized and no one wants to feel stupid.
 
but that is when folks take a 'either or approach', when folks can take an 'either and approach' to life, then there is much more fluidity and movement, i personally dont subscribe to a right and wrong, now like everyone i have programs that do and some times run me, but through conscious awareness and continual investment in personal responsibility i can begin to look at those programs and see that place they are not serving. many folks never look at life this way, they dont desire to know what makes them tick and be cause that they live a life of reaction instead of a life of action.
 
we are such an amazing race, we are filled with infinite possibility, but in order to embrace the legacy of greatness we have to see where we are a puppet on a string of past beliefs, past hurts and the inaccurate conclusions we have drawn from those events.
 
there is no one truth, in this world, we are the truth....and the more truthful we are with our selves the more we are willing to allow every one the the right to be wrong.


I like what you said here and thank you for saying it. I think along a similar path. I agree with it all you wrote here but those two paragraph's I found "right on time". I find myself enjoying what you write and your self expression.
(I highlighted in red because I haven't got the quote thing down).
 
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RE: all about you? - 6/27/2006 6:26:05 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Caretakr
I may have a different take on this. I am often objective, and compartmentalized to extremes. I can take the totally alien within me, and explore it. I can be the liberal, the Islamic  terrorist, the child.....then I can step back out side,and say, "I know you."


the fundamental problem with that theory, caretakr, is that a ballistics engineer can be shot by a mortar just as well as a crack recruit. true, the engineer will know what caliber got him, if that's any consolation.

ballistics engineer = caretakr
crack recruit = somebody that can't say "i know you"
terrorist shoots mortar.

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RE: all about you? - 6/27/2006 6:30:30 PM   
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I feel that I know YOU, and I am still confused. (which is hardly surprising)

So much for empathy-back to the drawing board....

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RE: all about you? - 6/27/2006 7:06:18 PM   
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Females especially are taught that we should get along with eachother and in order to do that, we must AGREE. 


Oh I totally disagree with that.

Heh, couldn't resist.

Anyway, I thought everything was always all about meeee???  (she says, wearing her tiara...)

Actually, I think (and yes, this is about me and what I think) people relay their experiences and what they know to a conversation.  I can't really relay things I do not know, and to relay something I haven't experienced yet would not be very productive.  So it's not so much that it's all about me; rather my experiences are what I can contribute.  My opinion is what I can toss into the discussion.   You might tell me something and I can contemplate it as a new idea, but I can only weigh it against what I already know.  Upon weighing it, I can accept it, reject it, or chew on it awhile.  But absent of simply replying with, "Oh, that's interesting."  I might add why I think it is interesting, and in doing so, I am compelled to share my experience or point of view.

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RE: all about you? - 6/27/2006 7:16:48 PM   
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If none of us posted from our personal perspective, if all of us refrained from giving a direct answer from the point of our experiences, why, then we could all just post back and forth like a Dr. Phil rerun, leaning forward towards the computer, asking one another:

"How did that make you feel?"

So, not wanting to be accused of 'making this thread all about Me', I'll just ask:

"Caretaker, how did that make you feel?"

Now someone else, not wanting to be accused of making this 'all about them' can reply to My post and say:

"TexasMaam, how did that make you feel?"

Gee, it'll be just like watching the news.

; )

TexasMaam

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RE: all about you? - 6/28/2006 8:11:12 AM   
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Insecurities.

A lot of subs are actually people pleasing control freak perfectionists- and that's a fairly conceited perspective to take in life- thinking that THEY have to get it right, that if THEY don't do it right then the whole world will go awry, that if what THEY do is not given the right approval then London Bridge all falls down.

Ds is perfectly suited for this type of personality.  And it can be used productively as long as its kept in check and doesn't affect one's overall functioning and happiness in a negative way.



Yes!
Thank you, LuckyAlbatross
Thank you for examining perfectionism and people pleasing.
 
It is self destructive and destructive. 
  I can see how limiting it is.
 
Insight such as this open the mind - rationally. Lending to introspection, awareness and a reminder to remain centered.

Might I say: "self 'centered' is not selfish" 

Best to all, Fawne
 

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RE: all about you? - 6/28/2006 10:28:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Caretakr

Some threads today made me wonder about so much of the discord that goes on here-the lack of objectivity-ego centrism.

I understand personal points of view are all we have to offer.

But questions asked are often about things that have nothing to do with us, personally.

Why do you think that so many of us have to make it all about us? Is that not the way a baby views the world, as entirely revolving around it?




The only thing that is revolving around Me is My dungeon and those in it.
Was that an example of  making it about Me??   LOL

As far as giving advise...I comment on the threads I have actual real life knowledge.

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RE: all about you? - 6/28/2006 3:26:32 PM   
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But it is very rare to come across someone so adult in themselves, that they realize that they must be honest in moving beyond the need for external validation-and simply accept thier natures as being an end to contentment in themselves.

There is only one way a slave can please me-and that does not come from manipulating my approval through "service".



Wow.  VERY well put.

What he said.

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RE: all about you? - 6/28/2006 3:38:26 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Caretakr

But it is very rare to come across someone so adult in themselves, that they realize that they must be honest in moving beyond the need for external validation-and simply accept thier natures as being an end to contentment in themselves.

There is only one way a slave can please me-and that does not come from manipulating my approval through "service".



Wow.  VERY well put.

What he said.


I have NEVER seen so vibrant and joyous slave girls, as those who managed to finally arrive in that frame of mind. You see, here is the thing. Thier Masters took them in hand, and slowly reworked the focus in thier controlling by continually seeking to make adjustments in others.

Instead, they were taught to feel in thier guts, that they were simply made a certain way- and to do thier best to express that..Not so much in pleasing-as in an expression of what they were, deep within. So even on those inevitable days when the Master was depressed, etc......they didn't feel it was "all about them."  And they could give space while it was worked out.

So there could be compassion without neuroses...........Love without greed.

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