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What is your truth?

Truth is subjective/relative.

47% (23)

Truth is absolute.

52% (25)

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(last vote on : 7/11/2013 3:38:13 PM)
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RE: What is your truth? - 7/2/2013 3:23:13 PM

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RE: What is your truth? - 7/2/2013 3:48:46 PM

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your truth is absolute to your perception

I'm sorry, but I have no idea how this relates to my post. I wasn't arguing relative versus absolute truth, notwithstanding the opinion or belief of the person making the truth claim. And if you're asserting that everybody's truth is absolute to them, first of all it's not true, and secondly I don't think that word means what you think it means.

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RE: What is your truth? - 7/2/2013 3:55:29 PM

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I think as human beings, we don't know the whole truth whether relative or subjective, it doesn't matter. We could not handle it, because we are not designed too. That might be my religion talking though.

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RE: What is your truth? - 7/2/2013 3:59:33 PM

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"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan.

One of my all-time favorite quotes!

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RE: What is your truth? - 7/2/2013 7:26:58 PM

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"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan.

One of my all-time favorite quotes!

dc I don't know about you but many times in my life I have observed intelligent fair minded people look at exactly the same facts but find different truths from them. In fact it is more than common... it is the norm.

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RE: What is your truth? - 7/2/2013 7:34:23 PM

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All statements are dependent on context. Something may be absolutely true within a given context, yet false in a larger or different context. Therefore, the question is mal-formed because it doesn't provide a context. Instead, the respondent must imagine one in order to answer. And accordingly, in their respective contexts both answers are correct.

The only statement we can make independent of context is "I am."

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RE: What is your truth? - 7/2/2013 10:09:51 PM

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my truth is based on my observations and experiences so it is my version of reality of that i speak

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RE: What is your truth? - 7/2/2013 11:10:39 PM

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Truth is subjective. What you may consider true, I may not, based upon experience, education and ability.

What a person believe to be true is subjective, the truth is not.

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RE: What is your truth? - 7/2/2013 11:13:26 PM

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I think people are subjective, the truth is just what it is. It's the opposite of false.

Two people can view the same incident and come to the different truth.

Taking the sky example. You could say its blue, a scientist knowing his truth could say its colorless, a color blind person may see green.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/human-biology/colorblindness2.htm

Truth isnt always the same for each person.

Truth is always the same but people may view the facts differently

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RE: What is your truth? - 7/2/2013 11:14:51 PM

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When the sun sets we see beautifull purple and red skies.
During midday it looks blue.
The consensus of calling blue blue and red red gives us the ability to discern and reason.
The colorblind have a defect wich distorts reality.
Reality is an absolute truth.

ok but truth cannot come into existence without first being a belief.

Truth exists independent of believe.

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RE: What is your truth? - 7/2/2013 11:18:53 PM

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I think it depends (how's that for a weasely answer lol.

My truth is that Mozart's compositions are boring and mathematical. That is not everyone's truth.

However, I own a mati-tzu dog and a Hyundai Tucson. That is the truth, and there's really no "subjectivity" about it. If someone else's truth is that I own a put bull and a corvette, they can believe it all they want - but they'd be wrong.

In your example the truth is that Mozart is boring to you. And that you own a mati-zui and a Hyundai, unless you really have a pit bull and a corvette.

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RE: What is your truth? - 7/2/2013 11:21:26 PM

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So if a majority votes that death does not exist, we will all live forever?

And before Columbus was the world flat?

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RE: What is your truth? - 7/2/2013 11:23:57 PM

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My choice is not listed.

However while scientific truth is provable and therefore absolute...

Human truth is subjective due to point of view or perspective.

I have seen in both the legal system and in everyday life, two people telling different versions of the same incident, and both versions were true, and provably true when approached from the point of view from each witness.

Or to put it another way, a child comes crying to mother saying he fell and hurt himself.

Mom knows that if he had not been standing on a stool he would not have fallen.

Both statements are true.

And in no way mutually exclusive.

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RE: What is your truth? - 7/2/2013 11:29:32 PM

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If here is such a thing as objective Truth, then clearly, to recognise this Truth, a human being would have to be capable of objectivity.

No human being is capable of being truly objective about anything.

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RE: What is your truth? - 7/2/2013 11:39:41 PM

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If here is such a thing as objective Truth, then clearly, to recognise this Truth, a human being would have to be capable of objectivity.

No human being is capable of being truly objective about anything.

The fact that we do not see the truth don't mean it isn't there.

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RE: What is your truth? - 7/2/2013 11:46:04 PM

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If here is such a thing as objective Truth, then clearly, to recognise this Truth, a human being would have to be capable of objectivity.

No human being is capable of being truly objective about anything.

The fact that we do not see the truth don't mean it isn't there.

That may be so. However our inability to see or recognise it does render it rather irrelevant for almost all purposes.

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RE: What is your truth? - 7/2/2013 11:54:22 PM

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I just answered in general and forgot the autofunction of replies.

It's good to see the poll leans a little to the absolute truth.
There are also many good arguments for the relativity of the personal perception of truth.
The concept of absolute truth helps our general consensus to grow.
Wich could be a good way to peace.

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RE: What is your truth? - 7/3/2013 12:23:48 AM

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I had a math professor in college who told us; "Math is not an opinion." That's in the "absolute" sense of course.
We see what the "global warmers" (or whatever they're calling themselves this week) have done with math now haven't we?
And again in the "absolute" sense, if I ever go to Florida and get charged with a crime after (being subjected) to this "Zimmerman" stuff, *I WANT THAT PROSECUTOR!*

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RE: What is your truth? - 7/3/2013 2:21:30 AM

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If here is such a thing as objective Truth...

I think I would have to argue that there are no objective truths, only objective facts.

For example, that 1 + 1 = 2 is a fact not a truth. Truths are statements "about" something, and therefore dependent on context. It is, of course, true that 1 + 1 = 2 in the context of arithmetic. But in the context of love, 1 + 1 = 1.

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RE: What is your truth? - 7/3/2013 4:25:50 AM

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Or 1 + 1 = 3 (or more) depending on how often they decide to "add"

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