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DomKen -> RE: The dumbest interpretation (7/5/2013 4:12:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen No, it is my opinion. Bullshit You've been worrying this bone for years, even going so far as to claim that I had actually professed Christianity as my religion. And my response to you now is the same as it was back in 2010. http://www.collarchat.com/m_3432716/mpage_5/key_/tm.htm#3434149 Without making you look too much a fool by posting a long list of links, let's cut right to the chase. The central doctrine of Christianity is that Christ died for our sins, that his blood was the redeeming sacrifice, that he was the "Lamb of God". My comment here from 2011: http://www.collarchat.com/m_3602339/mpage_3/key_/tm.htm#3607200 And not to put too fine a point on it, this from 2012: http://www.collarchat.com/m_4320983/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#4321006 If in your opinion that constitutes "passionately defending" Christianity, I suggest you seek help. But I'll be happy to settle for you just stopping your fucking lying. Any chance you could manage that? quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen I have frequently requested that you make a positive comment about anything. Thus far you never have, on any subject. Never. On any subject. Check. Heh. K. So you're not a Paulite. That does not change the fact that you are one of the most passionate defenders of Christians here. I retain my opinion. I do note that not in this post nor in any of the posts you link to did you make any sort of positive statement. I still dare you to make a single post that positively states something, anything on the topic of the thread.

Kirata -> RE: The dumbest interpretation (7/5/2013 10:07:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen you are one of the most passionate defenders of Christians here. I retain my opinion. That's cute dance step, but I've defended lots of different groups. The issue is your misrepresentation of me as a defender of Christianity. That is a lie. It was a lie the first time you said it. It was a lie every other time you said it. It will continue to be a lie in the future. And I will call you on it every time you trot it out. As for the rest of your post, stop making shit up. K.

DomKen -> RE: The dumbest interpretation (7/5/2013 10:41:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen you are one of the most passionate defenders of Christians here. I retain my opinion. That's cute dance step, but I've defended lots of different groups. The issue is your misrepresentation of me as a defender of Christianity. That is a lie. It was a lie the first time you said it. It was a lie every other time you said it. It will continue to be a lie in the future. And I will call you on it every time you trot it out. As for the rest of your post, stop making shit up. K. No, once again it is my opinion. An opinion you have never changed which you could by making a single positive statement on the subject. It is obvious it annoys you so why not make this your first positive statement about anything?

thishereboi -> RE: The dumbest interpretation (7/6/2013 4:30:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: graceadieu quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel When it comes to criticism of certain subjects such as Christianity those not wanting to hear the criticism have a tendency to come to absurdly ridiculous interpretations of what's being said. If I take a fairly basic and straightforward claim from a Discovery Magazine article: "Humans Have Two Arms" is anybody here going to take the position that Discovery is claiming that amputees don't exist or that amputees don't count as human beings? I mean it's really obvious what Discovery is actually saying right? Why is it so hard for some people to figure out when atheists do the same thing? Because they're too insecure to believe that people who are rational intelligent human beings can have a different belief from them. They feel that if someone doesn't agree with them, it must be because that person is either an idiot or evil. Sounds like you are describing an athiest but I have a feeling that is not what you intended.

Charles6682 -> RE: The dumbest interpretation (7/6/2013 4:46:09 AM)
I consider myself spiritual, non religious. I do believe in a Higher Power. I do believe in science. Why can't spirituality and science work together to try to answer some of humanities oldest and most important questions?

MissAsylum -> RE: The dumbest interpretation (7/6/2013 5:55:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Charles6682 I consider myself spiritual, non religious. I do believe in a Higher Power. I do believe in science. Why can't spirituality and science work together to try to answer some of humanities oldest and most important questions? Because it simply isn't done. The boards here can back that up, without going further into it.

Kirata -> RE: The dumbest interpretation (7/6/2013 6:45:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen I still dare you to make a single post that positively states something, anything on the topic of the thread. First page of the thread, on the topic of "the dumbest interpretation": http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4488007 quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen No, once again it is my opinion. An opinion you have never changed which you could by making a single positive statement on the subject. It is obvious it annoys you so why not make this your first positive statement about anything? Issuing "positive statements" about things I don't know and can't possibly know is your schtick (see above), not mine. Go fuck a duck. K.

GotSteel -> RE: The dumbest interpretation (7/6/2013 6:48:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Charles6682 I consider myself spiritual, non religious. I do believe in a Higher Power. I do believe in science. Why can't spirituality and science work together to try to answer some of humanities oldest and most important questions? I wish you didn't believe in science, I'd much rather you understood it. Then you'd get why "spirituality and science" can't "work together".

Kirata -> RE: The dumbest interpretation (7/6/2013 6:51:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel I wish you didn't believe in science, I'd much rather you understood it. Then you'd get why "spirituality and science" can't "work together". I wish you didn't believe in science. I'd much rather you understood it. Then you would get why spirituality and science can work together. K.

graceadieu -> RE: The dumbest interpretation (7/6/2013 6:54:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 If someone wants to believe that humans have three arms, it's no skin off me, so why should I care? Why should atheists care? That's what I wonder about. I couldn't care less what someone else believes either - as long as they're not trying to impose their beliefs on me. Unfortunately, a significant number of religious people want to do so, and/or get reeeeeal defensive when they find out that you don't believe in a god.

DomKen -> RE: The dumbest interpretation (7/6/2013 6:58:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen No, once again it is my opinion. An opinion you have never changed which you could by making a single positive statement on the subject. It is obvious it annoys you so why not make this your first positive statement about anything? Issuing "positive statements" about things I don't know and can't possibly know (see above) is your schtick, not mine. You cannot make a positive statement about your own beliefs? Are you schizophrenic?

graceadieu -> RE: The dumbest interpretation (7/6/2013 7:00:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: Because they're too insecure to believe that people who are rational intelligent human beings can have a different belief from them. They feel that if someone doesn't agree with them, it must be because that person is either an idiot or evil. You can read the hearts and minds of people you don't know? 1) I used to be an evangelical Christian. This attitude was one that was very, very common. I even shared it. It was pretty much part of the package of being of that belief system. 2) When somebody gets angry and defensive just because someone says they have a different belief, that's inherantly because they're insecure. If you're secure in your belief, it's not going to scare you that other people don't share it.

DaddySatyr -> RE: The dumbest interpretation (7/6/2013 7:04:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: graceadieu [snip] If you're secure in your belief, it's not going to scare you that other people don't share it. Hence; the reason why so many "atheists" go on crusades (yes, I chose that word, specifically) to eridicate *any kind* of belief in a higher power/great spirit. They're just soooo secure in their beliefs. It's obvious. Peace and comfort, Michael

graceadieu -> RE: The dumbest interpretation (7/6/2013 7:10:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: Are you an out atheist? I hear it all the time. After bad rehashes of Pascal's Wager it is the most common attack on atheism I hear from Christians. No, I'm not, which may be why I haven't heard it. How often does your atheism come up in conversation? Among other church folk (I'm wary of the label "Christian" cause it's too freighted with baggage), my experience has been that atheism and atheists are truly rare topics. If someone asks me what church I go to, I say I don't, if they pester me I tell them I'm an atheist. That almost always results in them trying to "save" me. Which almost always leads to Pascal's Wager or the claim that atheism is based on faith just like religion. Of course that also almost always results in them blabbing about it to their church going friends which brings more and more nonsense. I've left 3 jobs since I got out of the Navy over that sort of nonsense. I've had this same experience, too. To the point where I don't mention it in any work setting, even when I'm pressed - I just say that I'm "not very religious" and leave it at that. Dealing with people who have the power to affect my livelihood's shocked and offended reactions over me having a different belief is just not worth it. Though for some reason they never seem to have that reaction to Jews or Muslims - they'll be politely disinterested in those people. It seems to be the lack of a belief in a god that really gets a rise out of them.

graceadieu -> RE: The dumbest interpretation (7/6/2013 7:14:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: graceadieu [snip] If you're secure in your belief, it's not going to scare you that other people don't share it. Hence; the reason why so many "atheists" go on crusades (yes, I chose that word, specifically) to eridicate *any kind* of belief in a higher power/great spirit. They're just soooo secure in their beliefs. It's obvious. I see a lot of Christians make this claim, and yet.... I don't see how atheists working to try to keep Christians from imposing their beliefs on them is any kind of crusade. Neither is responding to attacks from Christians, or accepting requests for debates from Christians. Very, very few atheists go around complaining about Christians or trying to bother people into quitting Christianity unprovoked. Pretty much just Richard Dawkins, really.

DaddySatyr -> RE: The dumbest interpretation (7/6/2013 7:37:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: graceadieu I see a lot of Christians make this claim, and yet.... I don't see how atheists working to try to keep Christians from imposing their beliefs on them is any kind of crusade. Neither is responding to attacks from Christians, or accepting requests for debates from Christians. Very, very few atheists go around complaining about Christians or trying to bother people into quitting Christianity unprovoked. Pretty much just Richard Dawkins, really. Obviously, you live in a different country than I do because in the United States in which I live, "Christian" has become an epithet used by many to dismiss ideas of people who claim the title. In fact, when people are railing against "theists" you can almost bet that they're real issue is Christianity since Judaism and Islam seem to enjoy a "protected" status (as if a person who happens to mention Judaism when speaking against theists is afraid they'll be labeled an anti-semite). Sorry but I see far more of atheists assailing theists than I see the other way around. Have I had Jehova's Witnesses and Mormans knock on my door? Of course I have and when I say I am not interested, they wish me a good day and move along. While atheists don't go door-to-door they certainly seem to come out of the woodwork to protest any time a belief in a higher power is mentioned (these very boards are a good example). Personally, I don't think that non-belief in God is going to send you to hell but I have found that certain theist concepts make life a lot more enjoyable; personal property rights, charity, no murder, no stealing, ... you know ... all the little things that would fuck with our day if they went un-checked. Unforunately, most of the people I've seen that identify as "atheist" don't really seem to have no belief in a higher power, they seem to have an agenda which necessitates the entire obliteration of anyone believing in a higher power. They're "God haters" in my book and maybe I shouldn't lump them in with atheists but they bring it on you, when they identify the way they do; just like WBC gives Christians a "black eye". In point of fact, most people I've met that seem to not have this agenda of which I spoke are the people that upon finding out that I identify as Gnostic Christian, they ask me what that means and they listen to me. Usually, a very respectful intercourse of questions and answers follows. Maybe you guys need to shut up the God Haters like we Christians need to shut up the WBC (I'm semi-teasing about shutting them up. I would never stand for that)? Peace and comfort, Michael

dcnovice -> RE: The dumbest interpretation (7/6/2013 9:02:32 AM)
quote: 1) I used to be an evangelical Christian. This attitude was one that was very, very common. I even shared it. It was pretty much part of the package of being of that belief system. Hmmm. It sounds like what was originally phrased as a fairly universal statement about believers actually rests on your experience with a single strain of a single faith. quote: 2) When somebody gets angry and defensive just because someone says they have a different belief, that's inherantly because they're insecure. If you're secure in your belief, it's not going to scare you that other people don't share it. Is this rather broad-brush statement another extrapolation from your background, or is it rooted in scientific research?

dcnovice -> RE: The dumbest interpretation (7/6/2013 9:08:47 AM)
quote: Because it simply isn't done. Gregor Mendel or Francis Collins might disagree with you. quote: The boards here can back that up, without going further into it. You're using the CM boards as your basis for a sweeping statement about religion and science in the larger world?

chatterbox24 -> RE: The dumbest interpretation (7/6/2013 9:20:06 AM)
First I would like to say, I am a Christain, and not perfect by any means, AT ALL. I have good days and bad days. Scientists rock! Got to love a logical mind, no nonsense people. Its admirable and they make life here better. Christians can be a bit pushy, and when we get like that, we aren't very effective. People have the right and choice to believe any darn way they want. But as a Christian, we want to win your soul, it is our job, and to us your soul is very valuable. Yes we live on earth, but we don't want you limited that you are thinking that's all there is. We want you to believe totally we go on from here. We want you to trust you will be immortal with us. We have no evidence, no miracles in a can, now if we could do that, there would be a lot more of us, people would knock the churches doors off the hinges to get in. And that's why we fight like we do. But no one has to believe it, we just want you too.

SimplyMichael -> RE: The dumbest interpretation (7/6/2013 9:35:33 AM)
If there is a god responsible for all this, he is one evil sick monster and has a LOT to answer for. Christians are the same, considering the evils that have caused, its the most vile religion on the planet.

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