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my is give the imigrant workers a special red ssan card that contributes to the system but does not give back to imigrant workers , this gives the ssan system a source of income and we will know where they are and what they are doing, and the best part most of the identy theft will go away as they will no longer need to get a fake ssan number this would save millions for each state and billions for the country overall as there would still be cheap labor to harvest the fruit and vegies what a concept everyones wins.

Actually, the people who use illegal SS#s are doing just that, contributing to SS but not able to take out.

The problem is we don't have rational immigration laws in the first place, and there are all kinds of parties who don't particularly want it. The know nothings with their "we have to protect American Culture" (which the OP parodied) are basically racists who for the first time in their lives, specifically people in rural areas, are seeing a country that is no longer lily white...it is not surprising it is most pronounced with hispanic immigration, because it has broken trends of prior immigration, that tended in the past to be concentrated in city areas, these days Hispanics are in suburbs, rural areas, you name it, and it has people freaked out. To someone who lives in the NYC area, or any other big city, it isn't that much of a shock, but when it comes to main street, it is scary. It is nothing new, in the 1880's it was the 'yellow peril' that led to the Asian exclusion act (repealed in the 1960's), Southern Europeans were seen as a threat, so they were excluded along with Jews in the 1920 act, the nativists versus newcomers in Scorcese's "Gangs of New York" pitted earlier immigrants against recent arrivals...amazingly, somehow "American Culture" survived all that.

Not to mention that the GOP's anti immigration stance is not just what it seems, catering to the know nothings. There also is the reality that contractors and other businesses have a vested interest in keeping the current system, illegal alien labor is a gold mine for them, because they can screw them, for example not paying them what they are owed or at all, knowing the person won't go to the authorities for fear of being deported. They don't have to worry about workman's comp insurance, liability insurance, any of the other things required under the law, don't have to pay them overtime, it gives them that kind of power. There was an article locally that said that they estimate that about 35% of the time owners don't pay the workers.....

The other thing is every study of immigration has shown that they bring more into the country then they take, that immigrants often do create new jobs and such. I do challenge some of the liberal orthodoxy, that immigrants don't bring costs, there is truth that for example, illegal immigrants tend to use hospital emergency rooms for medical care, which is expensive, and many of them have large numbers of kids, which can strain school budgets.....but overwhelmingly these people help create new wealth and it is a benefit to the country. What we really need to do is reform the immigration laws to make them reflect reality, the current process is a mess. About the only thing I agree with the stand against the immigration bill is that in it they wanted to up the H1b Visa limits to 160,000/year, which is basically a way for US industries to get indentured servants from India at cheap prices.

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Every study of legal immigration has shown that they bring more into the country than they take. The same is *not* true of illegal aliens. Many of whom work for a period of years, and then return home. Many of whom don't have a desire to assimilate, but rather came motivated for jobs.

There is a difference between people coming to the country legally to become citizens, and people coming to this country illegally just for money.

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Those studies are just toilet paper. For example they claim that if latinos were paid more that the 2.2 billion dollars they earn would somehow magically ripple out and create 900,000 jobs. Forgetting
a). That the same amount would be taken out of the hands of american consumers. So the net job creation is --ZERO--.
b). That large amounts are remitted out of the country. Mexico alone accounts for 22.7 billion dollars of remittances. Thats money taken OUT of the US and sent overseas.

It is hugely amusing that we obsess about the trade imbalances with china and other countries, and yet ignore the remittance imbalance.

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Could also be that companies found loopholes, get out of paying into the tax system while also getting a tax break for the taxes they pay into another country.

Yet, I never hear anyone complain about corporations not paying taxes

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I DON'T hear about how corporations have provided JOBS that gave millions of families good lives. These families were able to buy houses, cars, and goods that make life better for all of us. We need corporations, they don't need us. They can go anywhere. We are still buying their goods.

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I DON'T hear about how corporations have provided JOBS that gave millions of families good lives. These families were able to buy houses, cars, and goods that make life better for all of us. We need corporations, they don't need us. They can go anywhere. We are still buying their goods.

Presumably because they're a lot happier providing JOBS outside of your country, rather than letting the economy trickle down through wages.

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Actually, I don't: the version I recall they cut the goose open to see where the eggs were coming from and killed it.

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Small businesses mostly, and invaluable to be sure. I was referring to the manufacturing and such that moved while they maintained corporate headquarters here, ensuring they have the benefits of the US while little to no tax liability.

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Actually, I don't: the version I recall they cut the goose open to see where the eggs were coming from and killed it.

Updated version is they overtaxed and overregulated it, eggs were said to pollute, etc so it flew to China and everybody lived happily ever after!

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Could also be that companies found loopholes, get out of paying into the tax system while also getting a tax break for the taxes they pay into another country.

Yet, I never hear anyone complain about corporations not paying taxes

I hear a lot about corporations not paying taxes. I DON'T hear about how corporations have provided JOBS that gave millions of families good lives. These families were able to buy houses, cars, and goods that make life better for all of us. We need corporations, they don't need us. They can go anywhere. We are still buying their goods.

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The Heritage foundation says that legalizing illegal immigrants will cost 6.2 trillion in the next 50 years. Said the average benefits paid per family would be $592,000. (welfare, housing, healthcare, education, etc) Tell me again how illegals bring more than they take!

Just to put a trillion dollars in perspective. If you spend a DOLLAR every SECOND, it would take 32,688 YEARS to go thru one trillion! The national debt is now over 17 trillion, not counting that additional 6.2 trillion. It is unsustainable.

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Actually, I don't: the version I recall they cut the goose open to see where the eggs were coming from and killed it.

Updated version is they overtaxed and overregulated it, eggs were said to pollute, etc so it flew to China and everybody lived happily ever after!