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RE: We must get rid of illegal immigrants! - 7/18/2013 5:06:06 PM   
Politesub53


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You are saying everyone in authority in European countries knows nothing about immigrants and the immigrants effect on the receiving country? Bullshit! The European, Danish, etc countries did the Liberal thing and let anyone come in. Now they realize the foolishness of their mistake.

Too bad our Libs here can't learn from their mistake.


Spoken like a man who knows what he is on about.

Current thinking in the UK is we need more immigrants, due to an ageing population. The ONLY public noise against such an idea is a lack of public services.

The only people who are truly anti-immigrant are the racist EDL and their ilk.

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RE: We must get rid of illegal immigrants! - 7/18/2013 6:20:02 PM   
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The only British papers they've heard of over there are the Mail and the Torygraph, remember? That's bound to give them a skewed view of things...

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RE: We must get rid of illegal immigrants! - 7/18/2013 7:41:52 PM   
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Thats simply not true. Mass deportations occured in the US in the 1930s and at many times in the soviet union. The US deported around 2 mil during the depression, and more when the program was revived in the 50's. The Soviets had a practise of Russification that deported probably 6 million - causing the deaths of 1 million.

Please don't conflate the horrors of collectivization of agriculture in the Soviet Union and the deliberate starving of millions of Ukranians with migrations in the United States.

Your numbers come from long discredited internet chain letters. During Hoover's four years at the depths of the Depression only 121,000 persons were officially deported or induced to leave under threat of deportation. Truman tried to protect the migrant labor that had been brought here to work the farms during the war but was unsuccessful. During his eight years 3.2 million were deported or left under coercion. During Eisenhower's eight years 2.1 million were deported or left. That seems to be the deportation record for the three decades beginning in 1929. Mostly itinerent workers during those years. These numbers hardly match the 12 million who are here now and have been settled for years. SOURCE

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RE: We must get rid of illegal immigrants! - 7/18/2013 7:51:05 PM   
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Thats simply not true. Mass deportations occured in the US in the 1930s and at many times in the soviet union. The US deported around 2 mil during the depression, and more when the program was revived in the 50's. The Soviets had a practise of Russification that deported probably 6 million - causing the deaths of 1 million.

Please don't conflate the horrors of collectivization of agriculture in the Soviet Union and the deliberate starving of millions of Ukranians with migrations in the United States.

Your numbers come from long discredited internet chain letters. During Hoover's four years at the depths of the Depression only 121,000 persons were officially deported or induced to leave under threat of deportation. Truman tried to protect the migrant labor that had been brought here to work the farms during the war but was unsuccessful. During his eight years 3.2 million were deported or left under coercion. During Eisenhower's eight years 2.1 million were deported or left. That seems to be the deportation record for the three decades beginning in 1929. Mostly itinerent workers during those years. These numbers hardly match the 12 million who are here now and have been settled for years. SOURCE


Actually my source was wiki. I only claimed a couple of million deported. You indicated 5.3 million deported or left. Feel free to correct me anytime.

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RE: We must get rid of illegal immigrants! - 7/18/2013 11:31:15 PM   
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Vincent, you asked me a question I answered it.
You don't like my answer so you insult me? What's that all about?
Also, it would take some time, you can't deport "11 million" illegals in 90 days but we can make a hell of a dent in the numbers in two or three years!
And if *you* were the head of INS and the president gave you the task of deporting as many illegals in as short a period of time as possible how would you go about it?

No, I insulted the answer. I never insulted you nor intended to. Sorry you took it personal. Sorry I may have made it seem personal. Apologies.

To answer your question, Pops. The mass deportation of aliens has never been accomplished. It is likely an impossible and inhumane project to contemplate. It would create chaos in neighborhoods and industries that depend on these established aliens. The targeted people are not going to just sit placidly and wait for their name to appear on a list telling them to go home. Surely they would take measures to protect their property and businesses. The courts would be clogged with legal action and the streets filled with protestors. I can only imagine it would end badly.





Vincent, you didn't answer my question on how *you'd* do it if you were the head of the INS and the president told you to start getting rid of the illegals.
What would you do first?

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RE: We must get rid of illegal immigrants! - 7/19/2013 4:30:26 AM   
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The only British papers they've heard of over there are the Mail and the Torygraph, remember? That's bound to give them a skewed view of things...


To be fair, reading The Mail hasnt done me much harm.....

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RE: We must get rid of illegal immigrants! - 7/19/2013 5:33:43 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML

quote:

Vincent, you asked me a question I answered it.
You don't like my answer so you insult me? What's that all about?
Also, it would take some time, you can't deport "11 million" illegals in 90 days but we can make a hell of a dent in the numbers in two or three years!
And if *you* were the head of INS and the president gave you the task of deporting as many illegals in as short a period of time as possible how would you go about it?

No, I insulted the answer. I never insulted you nor intended to. Sorry you took it personal. Sorry I may have made it seem personal. Apologies.

To answer your question, Pops. The mass deportation of aliens has never been accomplished. It is likely an impossible and inhumane project to contemplate. It would create chaos in neighborhoods and industries that depend on these established aliens. The targeted people are not going to just sit placidly and wait for their name to appear on a list telling them to go home. Surely they would take measures to protect their property and businesses. The courts would be clogged with legal action and the streets filled with protestors. I can only imagine it would end badly.





Vincent, you didn't answer my question on how *you'd* do it if you were the head of the INS and the president told you to start getting rid of the illegals.
What would you do first?


I would resign rather than attempt such a dumbass, impossible and inhumane activity.

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RE: We must get rid of illegal immigrants! - 7/19/2013 5:36:01 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML

quote:

Thats simply not true. Mass deportations occured in the US in the 1930s and at many times in the soviet union. The US deported around 2 mil during the depression, and more when the program was revived in the 50's. The Soviets had a practise of Russification that deported probably 6 million - causing the deaths of 1 million.

Please don't conflate the horrors of collectivization of agriculture in the Soviet Union and the deliberate starving of millions of Ukranians with migrations in the United States.

Your numbers come from long discredited internet chain letters. During Hoover's four years at the depths of the Depression only 121,000 persons were officially deported or induced to leave under threat of deportation. Truman tried to protect the migrant labor that had been brought here to work the farms during the war but was unsuccessful. During his eight years 3.2 million were deported or left under coercion. During Eisenhower's eight years 2.1 million were deported or left. That seems to be the deportation record for the three decades beginning in 1929. Mostly itinerent workers during those years. These numbers hardly match the 12 million who are here now and have been settled for years. SOURCE


Actually my source was wiki. I only claimed a couple of million deported. You indicated 5.3 million deported or left. Feel free to correct me anytime.

You said 2 million during the depression. I corrected you. You're welcome.

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RE: We must get rid of illegal immigrants! - 7/19/2013 5:37:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

The only British papers they've heard of over there are the Mail and the Torygraph, remember? That's bound to give them a skewed view of things...


To be fair, reading The Mail hasnt done me much harm.....

Actually, I find the US page of the Mail pretty well reflects what is going on here in the States.

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RE: We must get rid of illegal immigrants! - 7/19/2013 8:21:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead

The only British papers they've heard of over there are the Mail and the Torygraph, remember? That's bound to give them a skewed view of things...


To be fair, reading The Mail hasnt done me much harm.....

Yes, but you're British so you know it's a comic and the Onion is probably a more reliable news source...


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RE: We must get rid of illegal immigrants! - 7/19/2013 4:43:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: vincentML


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250


quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML

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Vincent, you asked me a question I answered it.
You don't like my answer so you insult me? What's that all about?
Also, it would take some time, you can't deport "11 million" illegals in 90 days but we can make a hell of a dent in the numbers in two or three years!
And if *you* were the head of INS and the president gave you the task of deporting as many illegals in as short a period of time as possible how would you go about it?

No, I insulted the answer. I never insulted you nor intended to. Sorry you took it personal. Sorry I may have made it seem personal. Apologies.

To answer your question, Pops. The mass deportation of aliens has never been accomplished. It is likely an impossible and inhumane project to contemplate. It would create chaos in neighborhoods and industries that depend on these established aliens. The targeted people are not going to just sit placidly and wait for their name to appear on a list telling them to go home. Surely they would take measures to protect their property and businesses. The courts would be clogged with legal action and the streets filled with protestors. I can only imagine it would end badly.





Vincent, you didn't answer my question on how *you'd* do it if you were the head of the INS and the president told you to start getting rid of the illegals.
What would you do first?


I would resign rather than attempt such a dumbass, impossible and inhumane activity.



Vincent, so in other words it didn't matter (what) I said, you were going to come up with that same answer anyway?
And couldn't you have simply said; "I'd resign" without the embellishments?

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RE: We must get rid of illegal immigrants! - 7/19/2013 4:56:45 PM   
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Nothing's possible - if you don't want to do it.

We deported (I was corrected) a couple of million 50 years ago - but we think doing that now is impossible. Huh.
Clearly my definition of impossible is outdated.

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