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RE: Why are so many girls unwilling to date a shorter guy? - 7/10/2013 3:02:54 PM   
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RE: Why are so many girls unwilling to date a shorter guy? - 7/10/2013 3:06:40 PM   
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On the previous CM thread, most women that indicated that they prefer a man with a minimum height of 6' (a lot even wanted 6'2"-3" as a minimum) were under 5'6" themselves.


Blimey, that makes me a shortarse at 5' 11". I should have eaten more spinach when I was younger like my mum told me.

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RE: Why are so many girls unwilling to date a shorter guy? - 7/10/2013 3:08:46 PM   
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RE: Why are so many girls unwilling to date a shorter guy? - 7/10/2013 3:13:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's very interesting that most people on this thread have immediately jumped to the conclusion that the OP can't possible be correct in that women do not want to date him because of his size when in this thread 74% of women indicated that they wouldn't not be keen on dating a guy off his height (the OP is 5'3") and with a little over half of them stating that it's an absolute deal breaker. Of those 74% who wouldn't date him 89% require a man to be at least 5'8", which is almost half a foot the OPs height above the OPs height.

If the numbers transfer to women in general, then roughly two thirds of women wouldn't even bother getting to know the OP well enough to even consider if he's nice enough for them to date, yet somehow, most people are assuming that if he can't get women to even bother getting to know him first, the OP is doing something wrong.

I'm not saying he's not also doing something wrong, but denying that his height is severely going to limit his chances to even get a woman to talk to him, regardless of how perfect he is in his approach, seems a little biased.

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RE: Why are so many girls unwilling to date a shorter guy? - 7/10/2013 3:14:31 PM   
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On the previous CM thread, most women that indicated that they prefer a man with a minimum height of 6' (a lot even wanted 6'2"-3" as a minimum) were under 5'6" themselves.


Blimey, that makes me a shortarse at 5' 11". I should have eaten more spinach when I was younger like my mum told me.


My family is tall, so I had a skewed idea of short growing up. (My grandfather was 6'5")

The first three grandchildren (of which I am one) 5'5" / 5'6" / 5' 4"

The next set of boys - 6'2" / 6'5" / 6'7"

The last two girls - 5'11" and 6'


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RE: Why are so many girls unwilling to date a shorter guy? - 7/10/2013 3:27:10 PM   
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On the previous CM thread, most women that indicated that they prefer a man with a minimum height of 6' (a lot even wanted 6'2"-3" as a minimum) were under 5'6" themselves.


Blimey, that makes me a shortarse at 5' 11". I should have eaten more spinach when I was younger like my mum told me.


You're in the clear Peon, I ran the numbers, instead of estimating of memory, and the earliest cutoff point of for most who care about height in an expressed number (versus just wanting any height taller than themselves) seems to be at 5'8"-10".

Only 24% of the women replying said that they would prefer a man taller than you, and a little over half of those said that this was a preference, and not a absolute minimum for them to consider dating them.

That still leaves you with 26% of women who don't care about your height at all, about 51% of women with having a distinct preference for taller men interested in you because they consider you tall enough, and another 12% of women who prefer men taller than you who would still consider a man of your height. For a total of 88% of women (based on 31 answers) potentially interested in you, regardless, or because of your height.

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RE: Why are so many girls unwilling to date a shorter guy? - 7/10/2013 3:35:20 PM   
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On the previous CM thread, most women that indicated that they prefer a man with a minimum height of 6' (a lot even wanted 6'2"-3" as a minimum) were under 5'6" themselves.


Blimey, that makes me a shortarse at 5' 11". I should have eaten more spinach when I was younger like my mum told me.


You're in the clear Peon, I ran the numbers, instead of estimating of memory, and the earliest cutoff point of for most who care about height in an expressed number (versus just wanting any height taller than themselves) seems to be at 5'8"-10".

Only 24% of the women replying said that they would prefer a man taller than you, and a little over half of those said that this was a preference, and not a absolute minimum for them to consider dating them.

That still leaves you with 26% of women who don't care about your height at all, about 51% of women with having a distinct preference for taller men interested in you because they consider you tall enough, and another 12% of women who prefer men taller than you who would still consider a man of your height. For a total of 88% of women (based on 31 answers) potentially interested in you, regardless, or because of your height.


And honestly, we're all drooling over your pics anyway. Even Alpha referred to you as "you know, the guy with the hot abs". I know I should feel bad about objectifying you, but I'm busy enjoying the view.


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RE: Why are so many girls unwilling to date a shorter guy? - 7/10/2013 3:35:23 PM   
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It's very interesting that most people on this thread have immediately jumped to the conclusion that the OP can't possible be correct in that women do not want to date him because of his size when in this thread 74% of women indicated that they wouldn't not be keen on dating a guy off his height (the OP is 5'3") and with a little over half of them stating that it's an absolute deal breaker. Of those 74% who wouldn't date him 89% require a man to be at least 5'8", which is almost half a foot the OPs height above the OPs height.

If the numbers transfer to women in general, then roughly two thirds of women wouldn't even bother getting to know the OP well enough to even consider if he's nice enough for them to date, yet somehow, most people are assuming that if he can't get women to even bother getting to know him first, the OP is doing something wrong.

I'm not saying he's not also doing something wrong, but denying that his height is severely going to limit his chances to even get a woman to talk to him, regardless of how perfect he is in his approach, seems a little biased.

I remember the thread that you are referencing and I'm more than happy to take your word for the statistics on the 74% who said that height mattered. My question would be, how many of that 74% are actually *telling* the gentlemen in question specifically that is the reason?

Some will and some won't. Unless they are relaying that, there are infinite possibilities.

These height threads always remind Me of a chick that I knew years ago. Two things always used to strike Me as funny about her. She happened to be a gal who was over six foot. (Same gal that I've talked about during the "why won't bi women date bi male threads.) She literally would tell people "you must be this tall (meaning six foot) to ride this ride". It was her way of telling folks that she didn't date men under that mark.



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RE: Why are so many girls unwilling to date a shorter guy? - 7/10/2013 3:39:07 PM   
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RE: Why are so many girls unwilling to date a shorter guy? - 7/10/2013 3:39:29 PM   
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And honestly, we're all drooling over your pics anyway. Even Alpha referred to you as "you know, the guy with the hot abs". I know I should feel bad about objectifying you, but I'm busy enjoying the view.



It's too late for such honeyed words now, OG. I am mortally offended and am going away to make a cheese and pickle roll.

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RE: Why are so many girls unwilling to date a shorter guy? - 7/10/2013 3:42:53 PM   
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Thanks for all the advice to answer the ?'s yes the girls straightforward said it was because my height. Im not insecure i have no problem with my self.


How did you go out on a limb? How did you have contact with them where they would tell you this?

I love tall men, but I have had much better dancing partners with shorter men. We fit better and I would have no problem dating short men. I used to say that I loved being short because I could date the tall ones and the short ones. For some height will matter, for others it won't. For some it will matter who you are and if you go in height sensitive, don't show them who you are, you will lose a number of other women.

Present yourself... have a presence and remember some of the most famous men in history and the world over, were short.

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RE: Why are so many girls unwilling to date a shorter guy? - 7/10/2013 3:47:23 PM   
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Thanks for all the advice to answer the ?'s yes the girls straightforward said it was because my height. Im not insecure i have no problem with my self.

Thanks for clearing that up.

In that case, bottom line is because some people have preferences regarding all sorts of things. Depending on different folks that you might be sending emails to, you might get the very same type of replies due to your age or the fact that you have brown hair. It's really no different than you having an age, height, weight, or other attribute preference when you choose the type of person you would like.



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RE: Why are so many girls unwilling to date a shorter guy? - 7/10/2013 3:48:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, I'm with the OP on this one, it's hard dating when you're a short guy. It's a common preference among women to want taller men, just like it's fairly common for men to want big breasts and tiny waists. It's kind of unfortunate because there really isn't anything you can do about height, it's just there or it's not there, and for men it's often a deal breaker and not just a preference. I don't exactly know why women prefer taller men but they seem to.

So OP, you have a hurdle to overcome. I can tell you that I'm 5'3" and I date with no height preference. In fact I tend to like short men, I prefer the intimacy of having them be right there next to me. I like having a man's face next to mine. All you can do is realize that there is a strong preference for taller men and deal with it without letting it get to you somehow, because then women will pick up on your butthurt and not want to be with you for that and not because of your height.

There's a man in my CM area that I've chatted with that's 5'1", I thought i liked him, he turned out to have a monumental attitude problem and a river of butthurt so wide no sane woman could cross it. I'm sure being passed over as much as he has been, has affected how he views the world. However, there is nothing to do about it except be the most you can be. He obviously prefers to be frustrated and likes to think that women are passing him by because of his height, which is true, but for those of us willing to give someone like him a try then he shoots himself in the foot by being a jackass.

I've seen on these forums that people tell others to put themselves forth as people and not as a collection of physical attributes or handicaps....that's kind of what you have to do. There's no changing the height thing, you'll have to woo women with your personality and charm. Yeah, it sucks, but there isnt anything to do about it.

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RE: Why are so many girls unwilling to date a shorter guy? - 7/10/2013 4:02:51 PM   
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Thanks for all the advice to answer the ?'s yes the girls straightforward said it was because my height. Im not insecure i have no problem with my self.


From informal estimates (keep in mind this is a very small sample size) it seems that the women who are most adamant about height are those of average height themselves.

The women with above average height, or below average height often still expressed a preference, but seemed less adamant about than a lot of the average height women.

That being said, I think that -based on how you contacted me on the other side- your presentation needs work. If you send of one liners stating nothing but your name, while having a nearly empty profile, there is little else for a woman to look at but your age/height stats. On top of that women on this site get mailed a lot. If you want to stand out from the crowed, and make women ignore your stats long enough to get to know you, you need to figure out a way to stand out and be engaging enough so that they'll actually spend the time to talk to you.

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RE: Why are so many girls unwilling to date a shorter guy? - 7/10/2013 4:03:54 PM   
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RE: Why are so many girls unwilling to date a shorter guy? - 7/10/2013 4:06:12 PM   
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I remember the thread that you are referencing and I'm more than happy to take your word for the statistics on the 74% who said that height mattered. My question would be, how many of that 74% are actually *telling* the gentlemen in question specifically that is the reason?





Most probably wouldn't. I'm absolutely not saying that height is his only issue. Just that it is in fact an issue for him and he's not delusional to feel that way.

We all have issues that we have to deal with dating, he shouldn't use his height as an excuse, just because it's an issue he happens to have that he can't fix. I'm sure (like I pointed out in the post above) that he has other issues too that he CAN fix.

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RE: Why are so many girls unwilling to date a shorter guy? - 7/10/2013 4:09:10 PM   
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RE: Why are so many girls unwilling to date a shorter guy? - 7/10/2013 4:10:26 PM   
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And honestly, we're all drooling over your pics anyway. Even Alpha referred to you as "you know, the guy with the hot abs". I know I should feel bad about objectifying you, but I'm busy enjoying the view.



Although....

Considering how long that pic has been around now, I think we're about due an update to see if the superman abs have stood the test of time.
I personally wouldn't mind a little bicep thrown in anyway.

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RE: Why are so many girls unwilling to date a shorter guy? - 7/10/2013 4:33:54 PM   
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It seems to me that a problem for a lot of people dating is that they look for a partner for the person they want to be (or want to become) instead of for the person that they currently are.

We all have flaws and things we don't like about ourselves, the thing is, a lot of people seem to be looking for partners that would be compatible with them if they didn't have those flaws they don't like about themselves.

For example, if somebody is lazy, disorganized and a slob, they often think that those are some of their weaker qualities and want to change this about themselves, but then go looking for partners that aren't lazy, disorganized and sloppy. The problem with that is that most people who aren't lazy, disorganized and sloppy don't want to be with a person who is, so they continuously hit a point where the type of person they want to date doesn't want to date them, because they're not yet the person they wish to become.

This seems particularly prevalent with submissive's in their (early) twenties, but on top of that, a lot of young submissives seem to hit this wall where they don't actually go out and start working on their self-improvement in order to become the person they wish to be, and instead, sit back and weight for the 'right' Dom/me to come alone and 'fix' them.

They blame their lack of impulse control on their submissive tendencies, and then complain when they can't find a Dom/me interested in them because none of the Dom/mes like their lack of impulse control, instead of actually stepping up and working on gaining more impulse control.

You see this with both genders, with submissives waiting for the right Dom/me to come alone to make them loose weight, become more organized, get their masturbation urges under control, or get more self-control.

The thing is, it doesn't work that way. Not only does lacking the qualities you wish your Dominant partner would bring tend to scare off exactly the type of Dominants these sub are most interested it, D/s relationship also aren't a 'save all, fix all' answer for a lack of personal drive towards self-improvement.

If you want to find a partner who is interested in you, start working on becoming a better you. Don't sit and wait around for a relationship to come and save you, because chances are that all you're doing is ruining your chances of finding a relationship satisfactory to you, because the pool of partners you have to pick from will be far smaller when you still have an enormous laundry list of faults you need to fix about yourself at some unspecified point in the future, than it will be if you're already the better person you want to become tomorrow.

Most Dominants don't relish the idea of taking on a 'project submissive' they may eventually be able to shape into the submissive they want to have.

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RE: Why are so many girls unwilling to date a shorter guy? - 7/10/2013 4:58:11 PM   
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On the previous CM thread, most women that indicated that they prefer a man with a minimum height of 6' (a lot even wanted 6'2"-3" as a minimum) were under 5'6" themselves.


Blimey, that makes me a shortarse at 5' 11". I should have eaten more spinach when I was younger like my mum told me.


You're in the clear Peon, I ran the numbers, instead of estimating of memory, and the earliest cutoff point of for most who care about height in an expressed number (versus just wanting any height taller than themselves) seems to be at 5'8"-10".

Only 24% of the women replying said that they would prefer a man taller than you, and a little over half of those said that this was a preference, and not a absolute minimum for them to consider dating them.

That still leaves you with 26% of women who don't care about your height at all, about 51% of women with having a distinct preference for taller men interested in you because they consider you tall enough, and another 12% of women who prefer men taller than you who would still consider a man of your height. For a total of 88% of women (based on 31 answers) potentially interested in you, regardless, or because of your height.

Actually, Ishi, I agree with you. Most gals I know don't go for short guys and the taller they are, the taller they seem to want the man.
Course, in the end, this is just another thing to work around.
What's that Janes Addiction Line, "I'm skinny and I got a pointy nose...but it makes me try."
So most gals don't dig short guys. So what. We all have obstacles and handicaps to over come. I mean, crap, look at me, most 18 year old hotties ain't going for an man in his dotage such as moi and I am krushedkrushedkrushed.


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