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FatDomDaddy -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/14/2013 8:48:43 PM)

FR....

At least this George Zimmerman/Travon Martin thing is finally coming to an end.

Now the Liberals can go back to ignoring the 1000's of young black men killed in Americans Urban centers every year.




BamaD -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/14/2013 9:12:19 PM)

Have things changed since 1861  of course  slavery existed but that was 150 years ago.
I am and Tazzy should be more upset that both blacks and whites participated in an almost genocidal war against some of my, and her forefathers who had held this land since before Columbus 

Have things changed since 1965  of course  white people had as much to do with abolishing segregation and Jim Crow as blacks did.

To expect todays white people to feel guilty about things that people not even related to them is called group guilt, the sort of thing the Klan did by finding one black rapist and pretending all black men were out to rape black women.

No reasonably intelligent person can deny that Sharpton and others played the race card from day one.   This does not mean all black people did or that everyone who thought Zimmerman was guilty did.

Jackson and Sharpton are no better that George Wallace and Bull  Conner they just have a different shtick.   And no I am not saying there are no white racist of course there are.
Anyone who sees a black person and thinks  n....... is one.
So is someone who sees a white person and thinks cracker.

Who thinks Martin was and angel?   About as many as think Zimmerman was.

People on TV and social media with all views said stupid things.

In case you can't figure it out there was disagreement with parts of his post.  But some of it was just fact.

I wouldn't have made the post because it wasn't particularly productive.

Now you condemn Cloudboys clearly bigoted remark about white peoples concerns being petty.

Unless you consider whites to be an inferior race.




BamaD -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/14/2013 9:13:36 PM)

Not possible they would have been killed by other blacks and only evil white men kill blacks.
I went to a 95% black University where I learned that evil white men is redundant.
And you know what even there they didn't think I was stupid or racist.




Arturas -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/14/2013 10:13:22 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: tammystarm

Get over yourselves. I have better things to do. Shopping version collar chat, hummmmm.....

Oh good Lord, are you going to inflict the spawn of Arturas on the world?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_2895205/mpage_3259/key_/tm.htm#4495957

K.




She is beautiful and I am blessed she has chosen and is able to do so. It is my first son.

Your post was intended to be an insult to a mother-to-be, or indirectly, to me though a baby's mother.
Do you feel real men talk to mothers in such a way? Did your father forget to teach how to be a man?
Do you somehow feel the use of a forum allows you to forget how to be a man and how to talk to a mother?

You must sicken any man among us, especially me.




Termyn8or -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/15/2013 1:25:34 AM)

When you are in a fighting ring, and the other Man hits you, do not take offense.

T^T




Politesub53 -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/15/2013 2:43:57 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Assuming he was responding to the most recent post, not always the case for we clueless mortals.


Someone please explain before I slit my wrists.




Lucylastic -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/15/2013 2:56:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

<snip>blahblahblah</ snip>

Now you condemn Cloudboys clearly bigoted remark about white peoples concerns being petty.

Unless you consider whites to be an inferior race.

I already responded to Cloudboys response.
Im not changing it to please you...simply because I agreed with it.
Who he responded to IS a petty white person, and made it about himself for other "white people" who seemingly dont care for his words. In fact I would hasten to add that what I really find to be his flaws as a person, would get me banned..and he aint worth it.

Now if you wanna call me a bigot, thats fine, I could give a rats ass. Im bigoted towards that specific person, and that attitude in particular. Fuck him
Oh and I believe you will find that many white people like myself are sick of the ugliness and attitudes towards others of different colours/creeds/etc shown by many of my white "brother and sisters".
Or are you saying we arent allowed to disagree with anyone, OR think ANY person is a ditch pig, without being a bigot?





DomKen -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/15/2013 2:57:58 AM)

I wish to extend my thanks for this thread to the mods.

It did not add much of anything useful to the Zimmerman issue but it confirmed a lot about several posters.

Note to the mods: please don't delete this thread when you do lock it. It will save me having to spell out facts that cause you guys to get upset. I'll just link directly to the vile stuff those posters posted in here.




Lucylastic -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/15/2013 2:58:05 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

Assuming he was responding to the most recent post, not always the case for we clueless mortals.


Someone please explain before I slit my wrists.

read on my friend, read on....it gets hilarious(or sadder)




tazzygirl -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/15/2013 3:00:20 AM)

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In fact I would hasten to add that what I really find to be his flaws as a person, would get me banned..and he aint worth it.


Pst... recheck the thread title again [;)]




Politesub53 -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/15/2013 3:02:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Now you condemn Cloudboys clearly bigoted remark about white peoples concerns being petty.



Even if you read the post Cloudboy was on about, you obviously didnt understand the content. The post Coudboy linked to was nothing more than racist bullshit.




Lucylastic -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/15/2013 3:10:23 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

quote:

In fact I would hasten to add that what I really find to be his flaws as a person, would get me banned..and he aint worth it.


Pst... recheck the thread title again [;)]

you are correct my sweet lady maybe I should change the wording to I dont wanna give him the time of day either, its a bit like squeezing a rhoid when you have someone playing with your juicy parts..... :) really daft to dwell on, when theres so much joy to be found elsewhere:)




dcnovice -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/15/2013 3:13:28 AM)

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Now the Liberals can go back to ignoring the 1000's of young black men killed in Americans Urban centers every year.

As can conservatives.




Lucylastic -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/15/2013 3:17:23 AM)

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dcnovice -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/15/2013 3:27:46 AM)

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Jackson and Sharpton are no better that George Wallace and Bull  Conner they just have a different shtick.  

How often have Jackson and Sharpton sicced police dogs on peaceful marchers or assaulted them with fire hoses?

How have they used the power of the state to uphold segregation?




tazzygirl -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/15/2013 3:35:55 AM)

~FR

My grandfather grew up in a time when it was disgraceful to have Native American blood. He was scorned, ridiculed and beaten for that fact alone. When he had children, he made sure they were born at home, with only a midwife. That midwife was paid well to make the birth certificates out for "white". There are many "white" people in this country who are not "white". Some know and have no desire to change it. Some dont know. Some take years to trace down their heritages to make the changes.

My grandfather, and my dad, didnt allow us to use our "race" as a card. It wasnt a "get out of trouble free" card, we couldnt pull it out to excuse our behavior based upon centuries of abuse. In comparison to the black slaves, we didnt have it quite as bad, at least towards the end of slavery. Our enslavement was different in many ways.

I think if I saw a Native American on TV right now, complaining about his heritage and how he was abused by the "white man", I would cringe. It just isnt done. There was an activist among the tribe in NC, Eddie Hatcher, who took over a news staff at a paper in Lumberton. He made many I knew want to find a hole and crawl into it. Hatcher's way was violence. After the news paper incident, he was involved in a killing, a drive by shooting, and he went to prison. The news incident happened in 1990, he died in prison in 2009. He brought a spotlight to that area that was badly needed.

Operation Tarnished Badge netted 16 officers pleading guilty.

The investigation was rumored for over three years before the first arrests were announced in June, 2006. The grand jury indictment of the three deputies—C.T. Strickland, Roger Taylor and Steve Lovin—lists alleged crimes that occurred between 1995 and 2004. The charges include theft from programs that receive federal funding; racketeering; conspiracy to commit racketeering; and conspiracy to commit money laundering. In November 2006, two of the three deputies were charged with illegally programming satellite cards and selling them. Later charges against other deputies have included robbery, kidnapping, arson, assault, and drug trafficking. In October 2006, two deputies pled guilty to federal fraud charges for doing private work on Glenn Maynor's house and yard while on duty as deputies.

The investigation is a federal one, involving the U.S. Attorney's Office, the U.S. Internal Revenue Service, the United States Secret Service, and the North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation. It focuses on alleged federal crimes committed by deputies during the time when Maynor served as sheriff.

As of May 19, 2007, sixteen deputies had been charged in the investigation and all had pled guilty.


http://linux.library.appstate.edu/lumbee/20/Tarnished%20Badge%20New.htm

For many here, this is but a blurb in history. For the many people who lived in one of the poorest counties in NC, this was intimidation and racism. For just a taste of what these men did in this area....

http://www.treatingyourself.com/vbulletin/archive/index.php?t-15861.html

Is there a point to this post? Yes. For some to say what happened centuries ago has no bearing upon today.... This is the proof I give to you that it wasnt just centuries ago, that its still happening today, and that there are some people who need to open their eyes, and their ears, and quit hiding under rocks.

My heritage doesnt make me any better than anyone else.... NOR dos it make me any less.... it makes me... me. Racism is quite alive, well, living and breathing in our society today. Its not just against black people, its against all races that arent deemed "white".

Different races have different methods of expressing their anger and frustration. This post isnt in any way meant to demean the African American's method of handling their own form of racism. Its merely to point out that its happening to many different races, in many different ways.




pahunkboy -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/15/2013 4:57:42 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

~FR

My grandfather grew up in a time when it was disgraceful to have Native American blood. He was scorned, ridiculed and beaten for that fact alone. When he had children, he made sure they were born at home, with only a midwife. That midwife was paid well to make the birth certificates out for "white". There are many "white" people in this country who are not "white". Some know and have no desire to change it. Some dont know. Some take years to trace down their heritages to make the changes.

My grandfather, and my dad, didnt allow us to use our "race" as a card. It wasnt a "get out of trouble free" card, we couldnt pull it out to excuse our behavior based upon centuries of abuse. In comparison to the black slaves, we didnt have it quite as bad, at least towards the end of slavery. Our enslavement was different in many ways.

I think if I saw a Native American on TV right now, complaining about his heritage and how he was abused by the "white man", I would cringe. It just isnt done. There was an activist among the tribe in NC, Eddie Hatcher, who took over a news staff at a paper in Lumberton. He made many I knew want to find a hole and crawl into it. Hatcher's way was violence. After the news paper incident, he was involved in a killing, a drive by shooting, and he went to prison. The news incident happened in 1990, he died in prison in 2009. He brought a spotlight to that area that was badly needed.

Operation Tarnished Badge netted 16 officers pleading guilty.

The investigation was rumored for over three years before the first arrests were announced in June, 2006. The grand jury indictment of the three deputies—C.T. Strickland, Roger Taylor and Steve Lovin—lists alleged crimes that occurred between 1995 and 2004. The charges include theft from programs that receive federal funding; racketeering; conspiracy to commit racketeering; and conspiracy to commit money laundering. In November 2006, two of the three deputies were charged with illegally programming satellite cards and selling them. Later charges against other deputies have included robbery, kidnapping, arson, assault, and drug trafficking. In October 2006, two deputies pled guilty to federal fraud charges for doing private work on Glenn Maynor's house and yard while on duty as deputies.

The investigation is a federal one, involving the U.S. Attorney's Office, the U.S. Internal Revenue Service, the United States Secret Service, and the North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation. It focuses on alleged federal crimes committed by deputies during the time when Maynor served as sheriff.

As of May 19, 2007, sixteen deputies had been charged in the investigation and all had pled guilty.


http://linux.library.appstate.edu/lumbee/20/Tarnished%20Badge%20New.htm

For many here, this is but a blurb in history. For the many people who lived in one of the poorest counties in NC, this was intimidation and racism. For just a taste of what these men did in this area....

http://www.treatingyourself.com/vbulletin/archive/index.php?t-15861.html

Is there a point to this post? Yes. For some to say what happened centuries ago has no bearing upon today.... This is the proof I give to you that it wasnt just centuries ago, that its still happening today, and that there are some people who need to open their eyes, and their ears, and quit hiding under rocks.

My heritage doesnt make me any better than anyone else.... NOR dos it make me any less.... it makes me... me. Racism is quite alive, well, living and breathing in our society today. Its not just against black people, its against all races that arent deemed "white".

Different races have different methods of expressing their anger and frustration. This post isnt in any way meant to demean the African American's method of handling their own form of racism. Its merely to point out that its happening to many different races, in many different ways.



Come on now. My family went thru it too, for being Polish. All of my dads side except my dad changed their name to an English name.

Floors me - people be like- Justice now- well there was a jury- change the law if need be- but this mob mentality is dangerous.

I think I would rather be dead then to go thru what those jurorists will go thru.

ETA- good post- tazzy. Your dad has/had it right.




farglebargle -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/15/2013 5:21:27 AM)

It is painful to say this: Trayvon Martin is not a miscarriage of American justice, but American justice itself. This is not our system malfunctioning. It is our system working as intended.

We don't have a justice system, we have a legal system. And it's working perfectly. You can kill someone who is part of the N*gger-Class and walk away secure in your knowledge that as long as you kill a N*gger, you're fine.

This isn't a problem with the law. It's AMERICA. This is our country.




jlf1961 -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/15/2013 5:23:26 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

Now you condemn Cloudboys clearly bigoted remark about white peoples concerns being petty.



Even if you read the post Cloudboy was on about, you obviously didnt understand the content. The post Coudboy linked to was nothing more than racist bullshit.




Even some of the Non-biased news sources have covertly printed racist crap.

Here is what happened, a half white, half cuban 29 yea old shot a 100% African American and killed him

Seems that everyone jumped on the 1/2 white, did a quick genetic modification of Zimmerman, took out the cuban genetic information, and thus he is now 100% white, Praise be to Monsanto!

The whole race question is, in my opinion, manufactured by the media. In truth both the shooter and victim were minorities.




Kirata -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/15/2013 5:27:47 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

My grandfather, and my dad, didnt allow us to use our "race" as a card. It wasnt a "get out of trouble free" card, we couldnt pull it out to excuse our behavior based upon centuries of abuse... I think if I saw a Native American on TV right now, complaining about his heritage and how he was abused by the "white man", I would cringe.

Thank you for your post, tazzy. I admire your dad and your grandfather. I never even knew them, but I admire them. They were proud in the best sense of the word: They understood self-respect and personal responsibility. Nobody can take that away from a man who actually has any.

K.






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