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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

~FR

I am really surprised at how many of you domly men continue on agreeing with a racist coward... but there ya go. I, for one, am glad this thread was left unmoderated. It has really shown me the honor many men do not have, the intellectual dishonesty displayed at every turn, the winking and nodding, the back patting to score political points with someone who has displayed every form of racism and bigotry to the extreme.

Congrats fellas, I have lost massive amounts of respect for many of you.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
Ah .. we've now located the entire source of the problem. You don't understand what 'evidence' means. Zimmerman breathing heavy might be evidence of being out of shape - but it is conjecture (guessing, wild-assed speculation) to call it pursuit.

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Lets see if you understand logic.

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Your statement was "Pursuit has either nefarious or LE meaning behind it, one or the other."

So, by your statement the "pursuit of happiness" in the preamble to the constitution has either LE meaning or is nefarious. Please tell me more.

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

~FR

I am really surprised at how many of you domly men continue on agreeing with a racist coward... but there ya go. I, for one, am glad this thread was left unmoderated. It has really shown me the honor many men do not have, the intellectual dishonesty displayed at every turn, the winking and nodding, the back patting to score political points with someone who has displayed every form of racism and bigotry to the extreme.

Congrats fellas, I have lost massive amounts of respect for many of you.

LOL If you want to know if a guy is worth dating or not, just ask his opinion on the Zimmy case or his views on guns, or various other "telling" topics.. you can learn more than you care to from just asking a few questions & seeing what kinda reaction ya get.. give them the opportunity to tell you and let em run off at the mouth (while digging themselves into a pit).. I find it extremely "jaw dropping" the majority of the time.. I cant help but ask them if they are serious.. when they say they are, well,.. then thats the end of that.. [;)]

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Don't you have a Paki bashing to tend to, oh 'former colonial master'?

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

FR

Zimmerman juror B37 interviewed by Anderson Cooper on CNN:

First vote: 3 voted not guilty, one voted guilty of 2nd degree murder, two voted guilty of manslaughter.

Final vote: all depended on the SYG Law and how Zimmerman felt threatened in the final moments when he pulled the gun. Everything else before that moment was irrelevent.

And that is the travesty of the jury's decision.

Zimmerman's feelings do not matter. The question is supposed to be would a reasonable person have felt that he had no choice but to kill in that circumstance.

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A juror in the George Zimmerman trial has said the actions of both the former Florida neighbourhood watch volunteer and Trayvon Martin led to the teenager's fatal shooting.

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"I think he's guilty of not using good judgement...he shouldn't have gotten out of that car," but she thinks that the 911 operator "egged him on." "I think it's everybody's right to carry a gun."
She thought that Martin may have reached for the gun, but couldn't say for sure. She believes, however, that Zimmerman thought he was reaching for the gun, meaning that "George had a right to protect himself at that point." The juror believes that Martin threw the first punch. "I have no doubt George feared for his life,"

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

FR

Zimmerman juror B37 interviewed by Anderson Cooper on CNN:

First vote: 3 voted not guilty, one voted guilty of 2nd degree murder, two voted guilty of manslaughter.

Final vote: all depended on the SYG Law and how Zimmerman felt threatened in the final moments when he pulled the gun. Everything else before that moment was irrelevent.

And that is the travesty of the jury's decision.

Zimmerman's feelings do not matter. The question is supposed to be would a reasonable person have felt that he had no choice but to kill in that circumstance.

In the final analysis only two questions needed to be answered although the jury sorted all the testimony, the hard evidence, and the Law: 1. was George in reasonable fear for his life or of great bodily harm in the moment? 2. does the Law allow George to use deadly force?

The answer to both for the Jury was YES. It is only the Jury that decides the case. Everything else is blather. It was really a simple case in the final analysis.

Your statement, so obviously self contradictory, of what the question is supposed to be was answered Yes by the Jury.

Pathetic that the Prosecutors and the anti-Zimmers cannot accept the verdict of the jury when it goes against their own opinions. All we have on this Forum are opinions of little consequence. The jury had the only evidence and opinion that matters.

Suck it up. Move on. There is nothing more to see here. [:D]

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ORIGINAL: CHF73

I have just one question for the Jury: how can a grown up man with a gun feel in danger "of his life and/or great bodily harm" because of an unarmed kid?

To me something doesn't match.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
I cant get beyond these issues to see that and no one has shown me any proof that my opinions, based upon medical knowledge, is wrong.

Let me show you, in detail, my problem with those photos.

[image]http://statelymcdanielmanor.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/zimmerman-f-b.jpg[/image]

injuries to the back of his head. Those beneath his nose... give me pause.

indicator that the bones had pierced into his brain.

[image]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/60317000/jpg/_60317381_zimmermancomp.jpg[/image]

But, the nose... the swelling is reduced dramatically, there is no blood beneath the nose, no drippings, just a slight smear at the left hand corner (his right). All blood was cleaned up at the scene... so why is the back of his head still bleeding but his broken nose isnt? The swelling reduction cannot be explained by a simple resest of his nose. Swelling doesnt go down in a matter of a few hours. Ask any plastic surgeon, the swelling takes days.

This is but one of the questions... from a medical standpoint, its one that jumps out at me. I cant explain how he can go from one photo to another with such a reduction in swelling.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/05/17/zimmerman.fdems.report.pdf

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O'Mara said he learned about the missing information months after he was to have received it. "The only way that we really found out about it ... and the only way that we really found out about the intensity of the failure to give us information was when a person from their own office, a whistle-blower, came forward and said, 'I gave them that information in the middle to end of January' and we didn't get it until June 4th."

He said he was "beyond" shocked. "It could have derailed the trial," he said.

The defense said it did not get the complete report until a few days before the trial. O'Mara and co-counsel Don West argued that they needed more time to go through the information found on Martin's phone and asked for a delay, which was denied.

Judge Debra Nelson said before the trial that the possibility of sanctions -- requested by the defense -- would be addressed after the verdict.

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ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman
If you're shooting at a charging dog, you shoot center mass unless you're a 'real' operator. And while the 9mm in standard NATO drag is a bit wimpy, there are much better loads on the market.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
Ah .. we've now located the entire source of the problem. You don't understand what 'evidence' means. Zimmerman breathing heavy might be evidence of being out of shape - but it is conjecture (guessing, wild-assed speculation) to call it pursuit.

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

FR

Zimmerman juror B37 interviewed by Anderson Cooper on CNN:

First vote: 3 voted not guilty, one voted guilty of 2nd degree murder, two voted guilty of manslaughter.

Final vote: all depended on the SYG Law and how Zimmerman felt threatened in the final moments when he pulled the gun. Everything else before that moment was irrelevent.

And that is the travesty of the jury's decision.

Zimmerman's feelings do not matter. The question is supposed to be would a reasonable person have felt that he had no choice but to kill in that circumstance.

In the final analysis only two questions needed to be answered although the jury sorted all the testimony, the hard evidence, and the Law: 1. was George in reasonable fear for his life or of great bodily harm in the moment? 2. does the Law allow George to use deadly force?

The answer to both for the Jury was YES. It is only the Jury that decides the case. Everything else is blather. It was really a simple case in the final analysis.

Your statement, so obviously self contradictory, of what the question is supposed to be was answered Yes by the Jury.

Pathetic that the Prosecutors and the anti-Zimmers cannot accept the verdict of the jury when it goes against their own opinions. All we have on this Forum are opinions of little consequence. The jury had the only evidence and opinion that matters.

Suck it up. Move on. There is nothing more to see here. [:D]

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

And you're going to draw a crappy little pistol and put a round on center mass of a dog that is charging you how consistently? I'm a good shot and I doubt I could make the shot reliably in that actual situation.

Most police officers in my experience carry 9mm firearms, and judging from news reports are not the world's best shots. Yet if the recent rash of stories is any measure, they don't seem to have any trouble shooting dogs.

K.

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And you're going to draw a crappy little pistol and put a round on center mass of a dog that is charging you how consistently? I'm a good shot and I doubt I could make the shot reliably in that actual situation.