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No. I'm saying we don't know and that we know for a fact that Zimmerman lied about the encounter.

As to Martin not attacking if he saw a gun, it was 7:15 Pm in February so it was pretty dark and if Zimmerman had pulled his weapon he could have been carrying it behind his body as I'm sure he'd seen tough guys do in movies and TV. We will never know for sure.

No, we don't know for a fact that George lied about the encounter. That claim is a fabrication.

Then you're back to Martin having at least 4 arms.

Sometimes in these situations you feel like you are fighting Doctor Octopus.

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No. I'm saying we don't know and that we know for a fact that Zimmerman lied about the encounter.

As to Martin not attacking if he saw a gun, it was 7:15 Pm in February so it was pretty dark and if Zimmerman had pulled his weapon he could have been carrying it behind his body as I'm sure he'd seen tough guys do in movies and TV. We will never know for sure.

No, we don't know for a fact that George lied about the encounter. That claim is a fabrication.

Then you're back to Martin having at least 4 arms.

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No. I'm saying we don't know and that we know for a fact that Zimmerman lied about the encounter.

As to Martin not attacking if he saw a gun, it was 7:15 Pm in February so it was pretty dark and if Zimmerman had pulled his weapon he could have been carrying it behind his body as I'm sure he'd seen tough guys do in movies and TV. We will never know for sure.

No, we don't know for a fact that George lied about the encounter. That claim is a fabrication.

Then you're back to Martin having at least 4 arms.

Nope. If the encounter all took place in under two seconds, then maybe four arms would be required. But for being on the ground nearly a minute, there is plenty of time for everything George said he thought happened to have happened, and to claim otherwise is ridiculous and desperate.

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Except that George never claimed his head was still being pounded on the concrete at the moment he pulled his gun.

So your scenario has no basis in fact, and George is still not a proven liar.

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What George actually said is that he felt that Trayvon saw the gun (when we reenacted it, I felt the gun jutting against my leg, so we think that's how Trayvon became aware of it, though George of course would not have been able to tell in his position), and that he felt Trayvon reaching for it before pulling it and shooting. George said nothing about Trayvon continuing to bash his head after becoming aware of the gun.

What George's Defense did at trial, was rightly focus on what would be more convincing to the jury, and in that regards, they had the photos of George's head and face that they put in the jury's face every chance they got. That was legal strategy by George's attorneys, which is an entirely separate thing from what George told the police.

So once again, there is nothing about George's actual claims that would require anyone to have four arms, and still no proof of George attempting to deceive.

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What George actually said is that he felt that Trayvon saw the gun (when we reenacted it, I felt the gun jutting against my leg, so we think that's how Trayvon became aware of it, though George of course would not have been able to tell in his position), and that he felt Trayvon reaching for it before pulling it and shooting. George said nothing about Trayvon continuing to bash his head after becoming aware of the gun.

What George's Defense did at trial, was rightly focus on what would be more convincing to the jury, and in that regards, they had the photos of George's head and face that they put in the jury's face every chance they got. That was legal strategy by George's attorneys, which is an entirely separate thing from what George told the police.

So once again, there is nothing about George's actual claims that would require anyone to have four arms, and still no proof of George attempting to deceive.

Zimmerman made both claims, one during the interview and one during the walkthrough. So one or the other was a knowing lie or more likely both.

Also if the defense made no claim about Martin bashing his head as the reason for killing Martin then the evidence on the head wounds would have been an attempt to confuse the jury with irrelevancies and that the defense is not allowed to do.

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What George actually said is that he felt that Trayvon saw the gun (when we reenacted it, I felt the gun jutting against my leg, so we think that's how Trayvon became aware of it, though George of course would not have been able to tell in his position), and that he felt Trayvon reaching for it before pulling it and shooting. George said nothing about Trayvon continuing to bash his head after becoming aware of the gun.

What George's Defense did at trial, was rightly focus on what would be more convincing to the jury, and in that regards, they had the photos of George's head and face that they put in the jury's face every chance they got. That was legal strategy by George's attorneys, which is an entirely separate thing from what George told the police.

So once again, there is nothing about George's actual claims that would require anyone to have four arms, and still no proof of George attempting to deceive.

Zimmerman made both claims, one during the interview and one during the walkthrough. So one or the other was a knowing lie or more likely both.

Also if the defense made no claim about Martin bashing his head as the reason for killing Martin then the evidence on the head wounds would have been an attempt to confuse the jury with irrelevancies and that the defense is not allowed to do.

Or,you know, he had his brains scrambled from being pounded into the pavement and was in shock at the whole deal.
Look, victims frequently get details wrong, especially in cases where traumatic shit goes down. Doesn't mean they are/we lying.
In fact, it's so common in rape cases that prosecutors frequently discuss it in opening statements, cut that sucker off at the pass before the defense can play with it.

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What George actually said is that he felt that Trayvon saw the gun (when we reenacted it, I felt the gun jutting against my leg, so we think that's how Trayvon became aware of it, though George of course would not have been able to tell in his position), and that he felt Trayvon reaching for it before pulling it and shooting. George said nothing about Trayvon continuing to bash his head after becoming aware of the gun.

What George's Defense did at trial, was rightly focus on what would be more convincing to the jury, and in that regards, they had the photos of George's head and face that they put in the jury's face every chance they got. That was legal strategy by George's attorneys, which is an entirely separate thing from what George told the police.

So once again, there is nothing about George's actual claims that would require anyone to have four arms, and still no proof of George attempting to deceive.

Zimmerman made both claims, one during the interview and one during the walkthrough. So one or the other was a knowing lie or more likely both.

Also if the defense made no claim about Martin bashing his head as the reason for killing Martin then the evidence on the head wounds would have been an attempt to confuse the jury with irrelevancies and that the defense is not allowed to do.

Or,you know, he had his brains scrambled from being pounded into the pavement and was in shock at the whole deal.
Look, victims frequently get details wrong, especially in cases where traumatic shit goes down. Doesn't mean they are/we lying.
In fact, it's so common in rape cases that prosecutors frequently discuss it in opening statements, cut that sucker off at the pass before the defense can play with it.

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I wouldn't bring it up if it was just some minor details but this Is why he shot.

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an attempt to confuse the jury with irrelevancies and that the defense is not allowed to do.

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an attempt to confuse the jury with irrelevancies and that the defense is not allowed to do.

Seriously?

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Here is something to think about

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