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The one thing i don't like is the fact that now in florida this sets a precedence for being able to cap someone the moment you "feel threatened" i think out of all of it this is the biggest issue i have with the case.

The way the Florida self defense statute is written and interpreted by the state appellate courts it is legal to kill someone simply because you feel threatened. The prosecution has an effectively insurmountable burden to disprove such a claim.

Well, surprise surprise I don't agree with you.
But frankly, I'm glad the law is as it is, and it won't be changing. As far as I'm concern a broken nose more than qualifies as a reason to cap your ass.

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And if the man is question has such impeccable ethics to never lie for a paycheck why did he accept the appointment to the commission at all? Every one even remotely associated with criminal justice issues in Texas must know the sordid history of Perry and the commission.

And yet, you have no trouble taking the word of a medical examiner with over a decade of complaints about her ethics and competency, as long as she supports your narrative.

wrong. I also have eyes and saw the photos of Zimmerman the night of the fight. Those were not injuries consistent with a vicious beating of the sort to make a reasonable person fear for their life.

One more time you don't have to wait for brain matter on the ground to take action.

No, but you do need to be in imminent danger and there is absolutely no evidence that shows that.

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Or more accurately, you need to believe you are in imminent danger, the danger need not be real.

And being pinned to the ground, in that much pain, screaming for help, and unable too escape, that danger would certainly seem real enough. It's absurd to think that someone in that moment while screaming in pain for help, would be able to analyze that his many head injuries are not severe.

And as O'Mara put it...how serious would the next injury have been...the one prevented by the shot? Because after all, you need no I juries at all to have a reasonable fear of imminent injury, especially in George's situation.

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That is covered in the law too...it's not enough to 'see danger around every corner'...your fear of imminent death or great injury has to be reasonable.

Which is why simply being followed would not justify use of deadly force, but being pinned to the ground taking multiple head injuries does.

Again, this is a must watch, as it shows why the SYG laws are reasonable, fair, and just.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=irnD34P2l1w

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

That is covered in the law too...it's not enough to 'see danger around every corner'...your fear of imminent death or great injury has to be reasonable.

Which is why simply being followed would not justify use of deadly force, but being pinned to the ground taking multiple head injuries does.

Again, this is a must watch, as it shows why the SYG laws are reasonable, fair, and just.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=irnD34P2l1w

Being followed by a man who is unknown to you and is armed?

I think that does qualify as legitimate fear of imminent injury or death.

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Or more accurately, you need to believe you are in imminent danger, the danger need not be real.

And being pinned to the ground, in that much pain, screaming for help, and unable too escape, that danger would certainly seem real enough. It's absurd to think that someone in that moment while screaming in pain for help, would be able to analyze that his many head injuries are not severe.

And as O'Mara put it...how serious would the next injury have been...the one prevented by the shot? Because after all, you need no I juries at all to have a reasonable fear of imminent injury, especially in George's situation.

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That is covered in the law too...it's not enough to 'see danger around every corner'...your fear of imminent death or great injury has to be reasonable.

Which is why simply being followed would not justify use of deadly force, but being pinned to the ground taking multiple head injuries does.

Again, this is a must watch, as it shows why the SYG laws are reasonable, fair, and just.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=irnD34P2l1w

Being followed by a man who is unknown to you and is armed?

I think that does qualify as legitimate fear of imminent injury or death.

When did Martin find out that Zimmerman was armed?
After he attacked.

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

That is covered in the law too...it's not enough to 'see danger around every corner'...your fear of imminent death or great injury has to be reasonable.

Which is why simply being followed would not justify use of deadly force, but being pinned to the ground taking multiple head injuries does.

Again, this is a must watch, as it shows why the SYG laws are reasonable, fair, and just.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=irnD34P2l1w

Being followed by a man who is unknown to you and is armed?

I think that does qualify as legitimate fear of imminent injury or death.

When did Martin find out that Zimmerman was armed?
After he attacked.

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Or more accurately, you need to believe you are in imminent danger, the danger need not be real.

And being pinned to the ground, in that much pain, screaming for help, and unable too escape, that danger would certainly seem real enough. It's absurd to think that someone in that moment while screaming in pain for help, would be able to analyze that his many head injuries are not severe.

And as O'Mara put it...how serious would the next injury have been...the one prevented by the shot? Because after all, you need no I juries at all to have a reasonable fear of imminent injury, especially in George's situation.

Actually as I have repeatedly told you, Zimmerman's opinion in this matter is irrelevant. What matters is would a reasonable man who found himself in that same situation have feared his life was in imminent danger.

The problem is that Zimmerman could not possibly have been facing a next blow and been desperately struggling to maintain control of a firearm he could not reach and Martin could not see if Zimmerman's story was true. Martin did not have that many arms. That is how anybody not blinded by bias knows Zimmerman was lying about the entire incident.

More than likely it was Martin calling for help as he tried to keep the wannabe cop from shooting him after Zimmerman fell down from getting punched after he tried to put Martin in a come along.

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Or more accurately, you need to believe you are in imminent danger, the danger need not be real.

And being pinned to the ground, in that much pain, screaming for help, and unable too escape, that danger would certainly seem real enough. It's absurd to think that someone in that moment while screaming in pain for help, would be able to analyze that his many head injuries are not severe.

And as O'Mara put it...how serious would the next injury have been...the one prevented by the shot? Because after all, you need no I juries at all to have a reasonable fear of imminent injury, especially in George's situation.

Actually as I have repeatedly told you, Zimmerman's opinion in this matter is irrelevant. What matters is would a reasonable man who found himself in that same situation have feared his life was in imminent danger.

The problem is that Zimmerman could not possibly have been facing a next blow and been desperately struggling to maintain control of a firearm he could not reach and Martin could not see if Zimmerman's story was true. Martin did not have that many arms. That is how anybody not blinded by bias knows Zimmerman was lying about the entire incident.

More than likely it was Martin calling for help as he tried to keep the wannabe cop from shooting him after Zimmerman fell down from getting punched after he tried to put Martin in a come along.

Not only is there no proof of this,
there is no evidence,
there is not even a indication.

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That is covered in the law too...it's not enough to 'see danger around every corner'...your fear of imminent death or great injury has to be reasonable.

Which is why simply being followed would not justify use of deadly force, but being pinned to the ground taking multiple head injuries does.

Again, this is a must watch, as it shows why the SYG laws are reasonable, fair, and just.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=irnD34P2l1w

Being followed by a man who is unknown to you and is armed?

I think that does qualify as legitimate fear of imminent injury or death.

When did Martin find out that Zimmerman was armed?
After he attacked.

We don't know that for certain.

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Or more accurately, you need to believe you are in imminent danger, the danger need not be real.

And being pinned to the ground, in that much pain, screaming for help, and unable too escape, that danger would certainly seem real enough. It's absurd to think that someone in that moment while screaming in pain for help, would be able to analyze that his many head injuries are not severe.

And as O'Mara put it...how serious would the next injury have been...the one prevented by the shot? Because after all, you need no I juries at all to have a reasonable fear of imminent injury, especially in George's situation.

Actually as I have repeatedly told you, Zimmerman's opinion in this matter is irrelevant. What matters is would a reasonable man who found himself in that same situation have feared his life was in imminent danger.

The problem is that Zimmerman could not possibly have been facing a next blow and been desperately struggling to maintain control of a firearm he could not reach and Martin could not see if Zimmerman's story was true. Martin did not have that many arms. That is how anybody not blinded by bias knows Zimmerman was lying about the entire incident.

More than likely it was Martin calling for help as he tried to keep the wannabe cop from shooting him after Zimmerman fell down from getting punched after he tried to put Martin in a come along.

Not only is there no proof of this,
there is no evidence,
there is not even a indication.

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

That is covered in the law too...it's not enough to 'see danger around every corner'...your fear of imminent death or great injury has to be reasonable.

Which is why simply being followed would not justify use of deadly force, but being pinned to the ground taking multiple head injuries does.

Again, this is a must watch, as it shows why the SYG laws are reasonable, fair, and just.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=irnD34P2l1w

Being followed by a man who is unknown to you and is armed?

I think that does qualify as legitimate fear of imminent injury or death.

When did Martin find out that Zimmerman was armed?
After he attacked.

According to the proven liar only. Since in Zimmerman's tall tale it is physically impossible for him to have reached his pistol he must be lying about what happened.

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That is covered in the law too...it's not enough to 'see danger around every corner'...your fear of imminent death or great injury has to be reasonable.

Which is why simply being followed would not justify use of deadly force, but being pinned to the ground taking multiple head injuries does.

Again, this is a must watch, as it shows why the SYG laws are reasonable, fair, and just.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=irnD34P2l1w

Being followed by a man who is unknown to you and is armed?

I think that does qualify as legitimate fear of imminent injury or death.

When did Martin find out that Zimmerman was armed?
After he attacked.

We don't know that for certain.

We have no indication otherwise.
If Martin started a fight with a man wit a gun he was a idiot.

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

That is covered in the law too...it's not enough to 'see danger around every corner'...your fear of imminent death or great injury has to be reasonable.

Which is why simply being followed would not justify use of deadly force, but being pinned to the ground taking multiple head injuries does.

Again, this is a must watch, as it shows why the SYG laws are reasonable, fair, and just.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=irnD34P2l1w

Being followed by a man who is unknown to you and is armed?

I think that does qualify as legitimate fear of imminent injury or death.

When did Martin find out that Zimmerman was armed?
After he attacked.

According to the proven liar only. Since in Zimmerman's tall tale it is physically impossible for him to have reached his pistol he must be lying about what happened.

We physically reenacted it. Getting the pistol was easy.

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

That is covered in the law too...it's not enough to 'see danger around every corner'...your fear of imminent death or great injury has to be reasonable.

Which is why simply being followed would not justify use of deadly force, but being pinned to the ground taking multiple head injuries does.

Again, this is a must watch, as it shows why the SYG laws are reasonable, fair, and just.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=irnD34P2l1w

Being followed by a man who is unknown to you and is armed?

I think that does qualify as legitimate fear of imminent injury or death.

When did Martin find out that Zimmerman was armed?
After he attacked.

According to the proven liar only. Since in Zimmerman's tall tale it is physically impossible for him to have reached his pistol he must be lying about what happened.

We physically reenacted it. Getting the pistol was easy.

With someone's knees in your armpits, while pounding your head into the concrete with a hand covering your mouth and another hand trying to pull the pistol out of the holster pinned under your body? Really you reenacted that? Where did you find a human with 4 arms?

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And the evidence is quite consistent in every respect that the gun was holstered until the last moment before firing, as a last resort after George screamed for help for nearly a minute.