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Uh, no. Not the defense's place to prove anything. The prosecution failed to prove his guilt, at least beyond a reasonable doubt. They bore the burden of proof.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

And in FLA, you don't have to prove self defense, the state has to prove that it wasn't self defense. So, not only is the witness dead, but the killer can also hide behind the 5th Amendment and make assertions of self defense before the trial that can't be actively cross examined.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

And in FLA, you don't have to prove self defense, the state has to prove that it wasn't self defense. So, not only is the witness dead, but the killer can also hide behind the 5th Amendment and make assertions of self defense before the trial that can't be actively cross examined.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

And in FLA, you don't have to prove self defense, the state has to prove that it wasn't self defense. So, not only is the witness dead, but the killer can also hide behind the 5th Amendment and make assertions of self defense before the trial that can't be actively cross examined.

The prosecution made a serious blunder playing all of the police interview with Zimmerman. they should have just shown the excerpts that could be proven to be lies. The defense could not enter those tapes as evidence which would have functionally forced Zimmerman to testify and that would have probably been the end of the case as Zimmerman's many lies and use of psychoactive drugs would have come in during cross examination.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

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i heard reports it cost the state of Florida, $600,000 to prosecute Zimmerman.

Every tme I hear bullshit like that I want to scream BULLSHIT !

It didn't cost them or anyone a fucking dime, all those people are on salary. If someone wants to claim that they SHOUDL be sitting on their asses doing nothing fine, but they still get paid no mmatter what.

T^T

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

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i heard reports it cost the state of Florida, $600,000 to prosecute Zimmerman.

Every tme I hear bullshit like that I want to scream BULLSHIT !

It didn't cost them or anyone a fucking dime, all those people are on salary. If someone wants to claim that they SHOUDL be sitting on their asses doing nothing fine, but they still get paid no mmatter what.

T^T

< Message edited by Phydeaux -- 7/17/2013 3:15:03 PM >

(in reply to vincentML)

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

There's been a lot of talk about racial discrimination in the Zimmerman case. But there's a very serious bias that is not discussed.

Zimmerman is alive. Martin is not. Under the current US justice system of "innocent until proven guilty", the fact that the deceased cannot provide evidence is HUGE.

Is there any way to counter the fact that a survivor has a big advantage?

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Wrong again vincent. You are correct that these people are paid salaries. However, those salaries buy a certain number of hours in a year. Those hours can be used to prosecute zimmerman - or they can be used to prosecute real crimes.

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

It certainly didn't come across as a $600,000 prosecution, did it?
If pay for state prosecutors was performance related, somebody would be getting a hefty salary cut for next month's payslip...

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

And in FLA, you don't have to prove self defense, the state has to prove that it wasn't self defense. So, not only is the witness dead, but the killer can also hide behind the 5th Amendment and make assertions of self defense before the trial that can't be actively cross examined.

The prosecution made a serious blunder playing all of the police interview with Zimmerman. they should have just shown the excerpts that could be proven to be lies. The defense could not enter those tapes as evidence which would have functionally forced Zimmerman to testify and that would have probably been the end of the case as Zimmerman's many lies and use of psychoactive drugs would have come in during cross examination.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Wrong again vincent. You are correct that these people are paid salaries. However, those salaries buy a certain number of hours in a year. Those hours can be used to prosecute zimmerman - or they can be used to prosecute real crimes.

It is perfectly acceptable per GAAP to say that it cost whatever the actual numbers are - which as I understand it are $1 mil

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

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i heard reports it cost the state of Florida, $600,000 to prosecute Zimmerman.

Every tme I hear bullshit like that I want to scream BULLSHIT !

It didn't cost them or anyone a fucking dime, all those people are on salary. If someone wants to claim that they SHOUDL be sitting on their asses doing nothing fine, but they still get paid no mmatter what.

T^T










Another problem running tests costs.
Bringing in experts costs.
Overtime costs.
You can see where this goes.
That figure can be above and beyond the normal pay of the prosecution team.
And remember it was a "special" prosecutor so there would be added expenses in this.
All that said I do not know exactly how these figures of expense were calculated

< Message edited by BamaD -- 7/17/2013 3:42:17 PM >

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Government ranges from a necessary evil to an intolerable one. Thomas Paine

People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

(in reply to Phydeaux)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Wrong again vincent. You are correct that these people are paid salaries. However, those salaries buy a certain number of hours in a year. Those hours can be used to prosecute zimmerman - or they can be used to prosecute real crimes.

It is perfectly acceptable per GAAP to say that it cost whatever the actual numbers are - which as I understand it are $1 mil

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

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i heard reports it cost the state of Florida, $600,000 to prosecute Zimmerman.

Every tme I hear bullshit like that I want to scream BULLSHIT !

It didn't cost them or anyone a fucking dime, all those people are on salary. If someone wants to claim that they SHOUDL be sitting on their asses doing nothing fine, but they still get paid no mmatter what.

T^T

< Message edited by BamaD -- 7/17/2013 3:45:25 PM >

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Government ranges from a necessary evil to an intolerable one. Thomas Paine

People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

(in reply to BamaD)

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

And in FLA, you don't have to prove self defense, the state has to prove that it wasn't self defense. So, not only is the witness dead, but the killer can also hide behind the 5th Amendment and make assertions of self defense before the trial that can't be actively cross examined.

The prosecution made a serious blunder playing all of the police interview with Zimmerman. they should have just shown the excerpts that could be proven to be lies. The defense could not enter those tapes as evidence which would have functionally forced Zimmerman to testify and that would have probably been the end of the case as Zimmerman's many lies and use of psychoactive drugs would have come in during cross examination.

Nah, the defense would have made motion to have the whole tapes played anyway for context. Its not worth the risk of seeming underhanded.

Objecton
"Your honor, the defense requests that the prosecution play the entire tape so the context of Mr. Zimmermans testimony can be made apparent to the jurors..."

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

And in FLA, you don't have to prove self defense, the state has to prove that it wasn't self defense. So, not only is the witness dead, but the killer can also hide behind the 5th Amendment and make assertions of self defense before the trial that can't be actively cross examined.

The prosecution made a serious blunder playing all of the police interview with Zimmerman. they should have just shown the excerpts that could be proven to be lies. The defense could not enter those tapes as evidence which would have functionally forced Zimmerman to testify and that would have probably been the end of the case as Zimmerman's many lies and use of psychoactive drugs would have come in during cross examination.

If the State plays an excerpt from an interview, at the Defense's request they're required to play the whole thing, per the Rule of Completeness. Thus the State was not permitted to only play excerpts.

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A defendant’s exculpatory out-of-court statement is admissible into evidence when a state witness has testified to incriminating statements contemporaneously made by the defendant and ‘the jury should hear the remaining portions at the same time so as to avoid the potential for creating misleading impressions by taking statements out of context

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

Florida Statute 90.108

 Introduction of related writings or recorded statements.—
(1) When a writing or recorded statement or part thereof is introduced by a party, an adverse party may require him or her at that time to introduce any other part or any other writing or recorded statement that in fairness ought to be considered contemporaneously. An adverse party is not bound by evidence introduced under this section.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

And in FLA, you don't have to prove self defense, the state has to prove that it wasn't self defense. So, not only is the witness dead, but the killer can also hide behind the 5th Amendment and make assertions of self defense before the trial that can't be actively cross examined.

The prosecution made a serious blunder playing all of the police interview with Zimmerman. they should have just shown the excerpts that could be proven to be lies. The defense could not enter those tapes as evidence which would have functionally forced Zimmerman to testify and that would have probably been the end of the case as Zimmerman's many lies and use of psychoactive drugs would have come in during cross examination.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

And in FLA, you don't have to prove self defense, the state has to prove that it wasn't self defense. So, not only is the witness dead, but the killer can also hide behind the 5th Amendment and make assertions of self defense before the trial that can't be actively cross examined.