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RE: Financial Domination / What are your thoughts & Why ? - 7/29/2013 7:58:08 AM

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Jimmy Swaggart lost everything (for a while) because he paid a prostitute to masturbate in front of him. He didn't touch her. Was she working? Yes. Was he paying a prostitute for her services? Yes. Was it criminal? Dunno... that's up to the courts. There are men who pay prostitutes for their time and just talk. No contact. Was the prostitute working? Yes. As a prostitute? Yes. Was it criminal? Dunno. That's up to the courts. I don't think so. If she was not in the sex business he would not have sought her out just as Swaggart would not have sought out the women he paid. There was no fucking no sucking no hand jobs.

Swaggert lost everything because he claimed he was pious and he was caught with a hooker, lying to his flock.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Swaggart#Background

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RE: Financial Domination / What are your thoughts & Why ? - 7/29/2013 8:04:17 AM

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the question here is where did the money come from/please support this ministries

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RE: Financial Domination / What are your thoughts & Why ? - 7/29/2013 8:12:12 AM

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How can you and others totally miss the point that WE don't fuck for money?
(Ha! Ya beat me to it!)

Now when I say we I'm referring to myself and probably a good number of the women on here that I talk to.
How is online touching? Even in real time, there's no fucking! If you consider my whip tail slashing my subs back and balls to be prostitution, then that makes you the fool. (Generalization of the word you)

In the case of on line , this can even be considered simple creative writing.
Bravo.

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RE: Financial Domination / What are your thoughts & Why ? - 7/29/2013 9:23:51 AM

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ORIGINAL: Toysinbabeland

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ORIGINAL: TNDommeK

How can you and others totally miss the point that WE don't fuck for money?
(Ha! Ya beat me to it!)

Now when I say we I'm referring to myself and probably a good number of the women on here that I talk to.
How is online touching? Even in real time, there's no fucking! If you consider my whip tail slashing my subs back and balls to be prostitution, then that makes you the fool. (Generalization of the word you)

In the case of on line , this can even be considered simple creative writing.
Bravo.

Yeah right, now its getting daft!

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RE: Financial Domination / What are your thoughts & Why ? - 7/29/2013 9:28:34 AM

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why do you feel that you have to defend yourselves like this?

I actually think a lot of financial Dommes are far worse than prostitutes. Of course there are exceptions but come on, lets face reality here, most of the girls on here demanding and expecting money for nothing are scum. At least a prostitute gives a man something for his money. She may lead him up the garden path for sex but she doesn't lead him up the garden path, take his money and run.

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RE: Financial Domination / What are your thoughts & Why ? - 7/29/2013 9:53:04 AM

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Thank you for your moral opinion once again. However, your opinion on people's kinks are out of line. You are assuming these men get nothing. And, btw, unless people have had their heads shoved into the sand (which I think many have) they might have noticed there are also male financial dominants lurking about.

I dont buy into the whining that so many do these days about financial domination. Its not your kink, we get it. My kink isnt diapers, you dont see me berating someone who does. My kink isnt golden showers, but thats perfectly acceptable. My kink isnt sleeping around with 20 different men, but we have girls who are just that horny.

I get that your issue, and others, is that these men and women are paid. That upsets you why? If no one paid them, would they still be around? Is the desperation of male subs the fault of financial dominants? These fellas want their fetishes pandered too... the beg women to shove cigarette butts into their groins, to have women stomp on their balls, for women to smother their faces by sitting on them... and these are just a few of the "requests" that I have received in the past week and Im not a findomme. I can only imagine what these boys may demand of the domme group.

Its really hysterical how, in this day and age, we are still going after the "prostitutes" while leaving the "johns" to lead their merry little lives.

And its so hypocritical of the religious groups to attack the women and not the men.

The one's who come to the boards to bitch, moan, whine and complain are the one's who dont want to pay for it but cannot find anyone else to service them.

So, I think those women who speak out against the financial relationships should step up and take on these fellas and see to their multiple needs.... free of charge.

Willing to be the first to sign up, Maria?

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RE: Financial Domination / What are your thoughts & Why ? - 7/29/2013 10:16:21 AM

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fin dommes don't usually have sex with their clients but are still being called prostitutes?

If there isn't sexual contact, it's not prostitution.
If the money isn't for the sexual gratification, it's not prostitution.

Anyone who says otherwise, is logically challenged.

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RE: Financial Domination / What are your thoughts & Why ? - 7/29/2013 10:25:31 AM

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As to why people react so strongly to it, I think that has a lot to do with the ubiquitous nature of findomme on the other side. I would venture to suggest that those who have the strongest reactions to it are single sub males who get frustrated with wading through countless profiles saying 'u r beneaf me, i take ur cash and ignore u'.

I have no emotional aversion, but I'd never pay for my sex so having to wade through all these profiles which in the beginning, middle, or end demand the euphemistic "tribute", turns me off totally.

As put the Fin Domme in the same category as the scammers who show an unbelievably young and perfect model as the profile picture. One by one, by the scores, I put them on HIDE, but, I they're there everywhere we look.

Someone spoke of supply and demand, yeah, supply them with money that they demand!

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RE: Financial Domination / What are your thoughts & Why ? - 7/29/2013 10:29:31 AM

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Thank you for your moral opinion once again. However, your opinion on people's kinks are out of line. You are assuming these men get nothing. And, btw, unless people have had their heads shoved into the sand (which I think many have) they might have noticed there are also male financial dominants lurking about.

Again? was I giving what you deemed moral opinions before this then?!?
My opinion on scammers, which the majority of these girls are is not out of line. Actually the men do get something but the ones that get something are the ones who don't pay.

Male financial dominants are just jumping on the band waggon, they are either genuine or they aren't, just like the female fin Dommes. Please note on my last post, I didn't write all, I wrote many.

Of course its a kink for many men, just as some men have a kink to go to prostitutes. Perhaps it is a kink for some women to do this but most of the fin Dommes do not get off on this. Its very much one sided.

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I dont buy into the whining that so many do these days about financial domination. Its not your kink, we get it. My kink isnt diapers, you dont see me berating someone who does. My kink isnt golden showers, but thats perfectly acceptable. My kink isnt sleeping around with 20 different men, but we have girls who are just that horny.

I get that your issue, and others, is that these men and women are paid. That upsets you why? If no one paid them, would they still be around? Is the desperation of male subs the fault of financial dominants? These fellas want their fetishes pandered too... the beg women to shove cigarette butts into their groins, to have women stomp on their balls, for women to smother their faces by sitting on them... and these are just a few of the "requests" that I have received in the past week and Im not a findomme. I can only imagine what these boys may demand of the domme group.

Oh here we go, tazzy getting all personal again

you don't like me and I don't like you so leave it out darling, your starting to sound a bit vengeful!
The reason I joined in this discussion, and lets face it, I normally don't, is because there is thread after thread after thread about it and I'm here giving my honest and frank opinion. I knew you would pounce at some point but up until my last comment, you really didn't have anything to pounce at.

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Its really hysterical how, in this day and age, we are still going after the "prostitutes" while leaving the "johns" to lead their merry little lives.

And its so hypocritical of the religious groups to attack the women and not the men.

The one's who come to the boards to bitch, moan, whine and complain are the one's who dont want to pay for it but cannot find anyone else to service them.

So, I think those women who speak out against the financial relationships should step up and take on these fellas and see to their multiple needs.... free of charge.

Willing to be the first to sign up, Maria?

I will quite happily pro Mistress and even though I don't have sex with clients, I couldn't give a shit if someone calls me a hooker and thats what I have been saying all the way through this. Don't twist my words and make me sound like I'm against fin dommes.

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RE: Financial Domination / What are your thoughts & Why ? - 7/29/2013 10:33:50 AM

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ORIGINAL: searching4mysir
Even if there were no fin-dommes on this site, you would still have trouble getting laid. ...... male subs would STILL outnumber dommes,

Truer words were never spoken!

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ORIGINAL: searching4mysir
Bras were seen as a sign of male oppression of females.

That's interesting. I don't know a single guy on this planet who wouldn't jump with joy if women did NOT wear bras! Nipples galore, and much more to see and touch.

How on earth can wearing a bra be considered oppression?

I guess I missed the sixties by a mile!

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RE: Financial Domination / What are your thoughts & Why ? - 7/29/2013 10:43:05 AM

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I will quite happily pro Mistress and even though I don't have sex with clients, I couldn't give a shit if someone calls me a hooker and thats what I have been saying all the way through this. Don't twist my words and make me sound like I'm against fin dommes.

I dont have to twist them, your words are quite obvious.

You keep insisting they shouldnt mind being called prostitutes. Yet, I carefully labeled you in my post, and you minded greatly.

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Again? was I giving what you deemed moral opinions before this then?!?

Other topics dear.

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Oh here we go, tazzy getting all personal again you don't like me and I don't like you so leave it out darling, your starting to sound a bit vengeful!
The reason I joined in this discussion, and lets face it, I normally don't, is because there is thread after thread after thread about it and I'm here giving my honest and frank opinion. I knew you would pounce at some point but up until my last comment, you really didn't have anything to pounce at.

Get over yourself and get back on topic. You dont register that high on my radar.

I would definitely take exception at someone calling a woman a prostitute when she was not. It has a social stigma... and a professional one. And any woman who would tell other women - dont let it bother you - is perpetuating the myth instead of speaking up.

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RE: Financial Domination / What are your thoughts & Why ? - 7/29/2013 10:56:47 AM

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ORIGINAL: Galacia
I have no emotional aversion, but I'd never pay for my sex so having to wade through all these profiles which in the beginning, middle, or end demand the euphemistic "tribute", turns me off totally.

As put the Fin Domme in the same category as the scammers who show an unbelievably young and perfect model as the profile picture. One by one, by the scores, I put them on HIDE, but, I they're there everywhere we look.

Someone spoke of supply and demand, yeah, supply them with money that they demand!

Well, I'll give you partial credit. In My opinion, the highlighted above is what a person should do when they come across a profile that, for whatever reason, a reader of said profile finds they are incompatible with the writer of the profile. Doesn't matter if that reason is fin, kink, age, marital status, or any other reason under the sun.

Where you got on the wrong path is the assumption that the site is supposed to be tailored to your needs/wants and that you get the right to bitch about any kink that you wouldn't participate in. You don't see Me bitching (until now for the purposes of using it as an example) because a lot of the men on the site come across as their version of 'kink' is just their way of trying to get laid and that My version of kink isn't necessarily sexual.

A lot of people have scat as a hard limit. If I were to make a generalization, I'd even go so far as to say that a high majority of folks have scat on their hard limit list. Yet, we don't have thread after thread that people start up just for the purposes of announcing how they don't like the kink and what they think of those that do enjoy it. We'd have a very simple case of folks who would say, if you don't like it, don't do it, and that would be the end. For some reason, when it comes to fin kink, folks can't manage to do that. Since it's not the case, it does bring the question of why that is on this particular subject, but not on others.

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RE: Financial Domination / What are your thoughts & Why ? - 7/29/2013 11:01:21 AM

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I would definitely take exception at someone calling a woman a prostitute when she was not. It has a social stigma... and a professional one. And any woman who would tell other women - dont let it bother you - is perpetuating the myth instead of speaking up.

In addition to that, I'm irritated by the logical FAIL.

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RE: Financial Domination / What are your thoughts & Why ? - 7/29/2013 11:03:12 AM

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ORIGINAL: Anatolium

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fin dommes don't usually have sex with their clients but are still being called prostitutes?

If there isn't sexual contact, it's not prostitution.
If the money isn't for the sexual gratification, it's not prostitution.

Anyone who says otherwise, is logically challenged.

I'm not sure I agree here.
Explain dancers, peep show chics, cam girls, or burlesque gals.

LP, I just died laughing at your new sig line! Love it.

Also what you said about this particular kink, poses a great question. Hubby and I were talking about it and
He said the same thing someone else said: it could be that the men who huff and puff are either broke enough to not
Afford a fin, has been hurt by a fin (either by a fin duck or didn't have the finances to keep seeing her..if she might have been a pro as well.etc) or is alone and can't find a lifestyle Domme and is not wanting to let go of the money for a fin or pro.

I just think people who attempt to label a fin by anything other than that, has some deep seeded issue, somewhere.
They mask it with "fins are prostitutes" Etc

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RE: Financial Domination / What are your thoughts & Why ? - 7/29/2013 11:15:18 AM

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having to wade through all these profiles

And here we have the problem in a nutshell - not wanting to put forth the effort to wade through profiles. (Although it only takes seconds to spot a Fin Domme and put them on Hide. It takes a lot longer to suss out married cheaters.)

When I was looking, I expected that most men would not be compatible with me and that I would have to do lots of screening. The dreck in my inbox was beyond belief. For examples, see Funny Messages from the "Other Side"

It's as pointless to be annoyed about wading through profiles as it is to complain about having to wade through job opportunities on Career Builder - the perfect person or job may or may not be there, but one has to put in the effort to look. I kissed a lot of frogs before I found my prince.

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RE: Financial Domination / What are your thoughts & Why ? - 7/29/2013 11:42:23 AM

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I think the problem with Fin-whatever, is that many people see it as prostitution.
And in many western-style countries, prostitution is illegal and frowned upon and does carry some stigma.
What's more, a lot of women are sucessfully prosecuted under prostitution laws even though actual contact does not take place between the fin~ and the client. The reason, as far as I can make out, is that money (or gifts) change hands for the exclusive benefit of sexual gratification on either side of the arrangement.
Madam Cyn is/was a prime example. She was successfully prosecuted for prostitution and keeping a disorderly house (brothel) even though the evidence did not show that she had any physical contact with her clients.

So from what I can see, those fin~ that demand payment or 'tribute' before anything is undertaken and either side of the arrangement derive some sort of sexual pleasure from the encounter would constitute a form of prostitution regardless of if the law specifically states 'contact' or otherwise.

So for some, there's no real difference between a 'real' fin~, a duck-lipped fin~, or just someone scamming the shit from stupid people just on a promise. As far as they are concerned, taking money for any kind of sexual service, be it real, cyber, or just sexy chat, makes them a prostitute.

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RE: Financial Domination / What are your thoughts & Why ? - 7/29/2013 12:03:15 PM

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And those people who think that, would be idiots.

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RE: Financial Domination / What are your thoughts & Why ? - 7/29/2013 12:20:54 PM

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Madam Cyn is/was a prime example. She was successfully prosecuted for prostitution and keeping a disorderly house (brothel) even though the evidence did not show that she had any physical contact with her clients.

Wiki is confusing me. Looks like she was originally convicted of being a madam and running a brothel but that was reversed on appeal?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynthia_Payne

Cynthia Payne (born 24 December 1932, in Bognor Regis, West Sussex) is a retired English party hostess who made the headlines in the 1970s and 1980s when she was acquitted of being a madam and running a brothel at 32 Ambleside Avenue, in Streatham, in the south-west of London, England.[1] [2]

Payne first came to national attention in 1978 when police raided her home and found a sex party was in progress. Elderly men paid in Luncheon Vouchers to dress up in lingerie and be spanked by young women.[3] When the case came to trial in 1980, she was sentenced to eighteen months in prison, reduced to a fine and six months on appeal.[4] She served four months in Holloway prison.[3]

In 1986, the police raided her home again, this time during a "special party" she was hosting after shooting the film of her life had been completed. Although she was acquitted on this occasion...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/february/11/newsid_2539000/2539565.stm

1987: Mrs Payne is no brothel Madam

Party planner Cynthia Payne has been acquitted of nine charges of controlling prostitutes at her home in south west London.

The courtroom burst into applause after decision of the jury - of eight men and four women - was announced after just over five hours of deliberation.

Mrs Payne, 53, said: "This is a victory for common sense. But I have to admit all this has put me off having parties for a bit."

Mrs Payne first hit the headlines in 1978 when police raided her home to find a sex party in full swing, attended by middle-aged and elderly men exchanging luncheon vouchers for sexual entertainment.

After a trial in 1980 she was sentenced to 18 months which was then reduced to six months and a fine on appeal.

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RE: Financial Domination / What are your thoughts & Why ? - 7/29/2013 12:41:28 PM

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Get over yourself and get back on topic. You dont register that high on my radar.

From now on you don't register on mine at all.

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RE: Financial Domination / What are your thoughts & Why ? - 7/29/2013 4:41:30 PM

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LOL So dodge another discussion when called on bullshit. Still doesnt keep others from seeing your moral code attempting to dictate others lives. You dont want to use a "prostitute"? then dont use one. Dont become one. But dont slam other women who clearly arent one by your own moral definition.

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