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RE: The Department of Homeland Security says it is ille... - 7/27/2013 8:29:20 PM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		OK Ken but that has nothing to do with music. There are already fire codes and maximum occupancy limits all over the place. If they broke those regs then that is a different story.

It's like requiring someone to take the radio out of their car because they got a speeding ticket.

Oh, and the forty minute mark in the War Of The Worlds ? Why don't you look up just how long the duration of that show was before talkng out your fucking ass. There was only fifteen minutes left at the time. Do you remember the last fifteen minutes of it ? It was almost an epilogue. That is hardly regular and timely disclaimers. That assumes what you say is true. I will review it. I mean I will review the actual recording, not what is said about it. Like I review what Ron Paul says rather than what they say he said. Unfortunately doing that with Rand Paul has not given me such pleasant results......

In other words, I am actually going to listen to the recording again. None of this disproves the fact that Moonie was wrong.

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RE: The Department of Homeland Security says it is ille... - 7/27/2013 8:39:18 PM   
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OK Ken but that has nothing to do with music. There are already fire codes and maximum occupancy limits all over the place. If they broke those regs then that is a different story.

It's like requiring someone to take the radio out of their car because they got a speeding ticket.

Oh, and the forty minute mark in the War Of The Worlds ? Why don't you look up just how long the duration of that show was before talkng out your fucking ass. There was only fifteen minutes left at the time. Do you remember the last fifteen minutes of it ? It was almost an epilogue. That is hardly regular and timely disclaimers. That assumes what you say is true. I will review it. I mean I will review the actual recording, not what is said about it. Like I review what Ron Paul says rather than what they say he said. Unfortunately doing that with Rand Paul has not given me such pleasant results......

In other words, I am actually going to listen to the recording again. None of this disproves the fact that Moonie was wrong.

T^T

It was a one hour broadcast. You simply lied when you said there was no disclaimer during the broadcast. there was one at the beginning, one at the 40 minute mark and another at the end.

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RE: The Department of Homeland Security says it is ille... - 7/27/2013 9:30:12 PM   
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Now why might it be that a state might want to know which businesses are packing a crowd in for live music?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Station_nightclub_fire


The music caused someone to fuck up with incindiary devices ? That's kind of a stretch don'tcha think ?

But for some people any excuse to write more regulations will suffice.

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Then take it up with the Indiana state legislature.

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RE: The Department of Homeland Security says it is ille... - 7/27/2013 10:45:29 PM   
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It was a one hour broadcast. You simply lied when you said there was no disclaimer during the broadcast. there was one at the beginning, one at the 40 minute mark and another at the end.


It was slightly less than an hour. During the entire segment depicting the fictional invasion there was no disclaimer except the one at the beginning, not IN it. I have just retrieved another copy real quick to make sure and indeed there is a disclaimer at 38:55, but what follows is pretty much an epilogue, which you would know, as I did and confirmed just now, if you had actually listened to it.

You make the accusation of lying quite easily, I find this unsurprising from a government Man. Some will take any minor discrepancy to their greatest advantage whenever possible, if for no other reason but to stroke their own ego, such as a child enjoying the wonders of masturbation. Thus they not only call even slightly imprecise statements lies, and call people liars to make themself feel superior morally, when they know better. I know this because they would not do this if they were better.

CBS and the Mercury theater learned something that day, that not alll were gifted with the common sense acquired by the adept in life, those unencumbered by personal hangups and such. The people who never grew out of their teachings, or dare I say memorizings. To never suppose, or dream, nor to invent, because invention requires imagination and sense, and difficult mental work, not memorization and factual recognizance. Precision in events is really useless in the true analysis of the world.

To those people back then, for some of them, 38 minutes and 55 seconds were really the end of the world as they knew it. And after that, like I said and have now confirmed, was an epilogue, describing how life might be under the new masters of what used to be our planet. Too bad if they had to go to the bathroom, there was no equivalent of a DVR or TIVO. So much for that.

So people come in here and demonstrate the awesome power of the media and how it can easily be abused, and you shit on them for a few technical difficulties. Do you rememnber Star Trek, the original series ? Certain people are what would be termed either a Captain Dunsel, or a Herbert. Their petty bickering on details dilutes much meaning from most discussions.

Be proud of your superiority. hopefully you are an accountant or something so that all the beans are tabulated and accounted for. Everyone who does not have a photographic memory is a liar, we got that figured out.

Thank you for your time. Keep the change.

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RE: The Department of Homeland Security says it is ille... - 7/27/2013 10:49:27 PM   
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Then take it up with the Indiana state legislature.


That's what cops say when they bust you for a victimless crime that shuld be a right. Do you want to take that position ?

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RE: The Department of Homeland Security says it is ille... - 7/27/2013 11:11:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Of course. Those laws were voted on and passed. You may object, the restaurant may object. Until those laws are over turned.....

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RE: The Department of Homeland Security says it is ille... - 7/27/2013 11:51:37 PM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		I'll break them all the time, I couldn't care less. Like the anti smoking law.

Ironically I stopped two years ago !

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ETA :

You know I don't go to bars anymore because I was practically raised in bars, but now that there are bars that allow smoking illegally, I might just go to bars and have a smoke. JUST BECAUSE IT IS ILLEGAL.

Yes, I am one really beligerent son of a bitch, and one day you will be very grateful that people like me existed.

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RE: The Department of Homeland Security says it is ille... - 7/27/2013 11:59:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Most laws are changed through civil disobedience... which is what you are describing. But that disobedience may come with a cost... for this restaurant, they could be closed.

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RE: The Department of Homeland Security says it is ille... - 7/28/2013 1:34:57 AM   
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for this restaurant, they could be closed


Why ? If you can't have it nobody else can ? How serialkillerish of you.

You just obey fucking anything or what ? You don't like smoking don't go there. You have THE RIGHT to go there ? We have ways.

Some places, and I would do this, burn their liquor license and become a co-op. You will never stop us. you see I am a non-smoker now, yet I will still fight for smoker's rights. I cannot imagine touching a Man romantically, it disgusts me, but I think they should be allowed to practice their fun and even get married. Public displays no, but the same for heterosexuals as well. Equal treatment, even though I don't even pretend to entertain the idea of equality in any of its forms, people should be treated equally. Nobody is equal, period. Never were, never will be. But equal TREATMENT is what we need. Opportunity and rights and shit.

So in short, (too late of course) make sure everyone has rights, but don't take them away from me. I retain mine. I give nothing but some spunk. I kneel to noone ever, I do not use the word Sir even in court on trial, or with a cop or a boss no matter how rich or powerful they are. I will not do it, no matter what. And I do not obey, I never have. My morality is internal and cannot be compromised.

And it would not be understood by the masses. It is similar to Odinism, but not quite the same.

I used to be so generous and shit, help everyone. I did, unitl I needed help. Guess what. Fukum now.

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RE: The Department of Homeland Security says it is ille... - 7/28/2013 2:03:36 AM   
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Why ? If you can't have it nobody else can ? How serialkillerish of you.

You just obey fucking anything or what ? You don't like smoking don't go there. You have THE RIGHT to go there ? We have ways.


Why? Because the permits are not new. They should have done their homework. If they are in violation, they could be closed.

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Some places, and I would do this, burn their liquor license and become a co-op. You will never stop us. you see I am a non-smoker now, yet I will still fight for smoker's rights. I cannot imagine touching a Man romantically, it disgusts me, but I think they should be allowed to practice their fun and even get married. Public displays no, but the same for heterosexuals as well. Equal treatment, even though I don't even pretend to entertain the idea of equality in any of its forms, people should be treated equally. Nobody is equal, period. Never were, never will be. But equal TREATMENT is what we need. Opportunity and rights and shit.


No clue what that has to do with the OP.

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So in short, (too late of course) make sure everyone has rights, but don't take them away from me. I retain mine. I give nothing but some spunk. I kneel to noone ever, I do not use the word Sir even in court on trial, or with a cop or a boss no matter how rich or powerful they are. I will not do it, no matter what. And I do not obey, I never have. My morality is internal and cannot be compromised.


Again, no clue what this has to do with the OP.



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RE: The Department of Homeland Security says it is ille... - 7/28/2013 2:15:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
I am a non-smoker now, yet I will still fight for smoker's rights. I cannot imagine touching a Man romantically, it disgusts me, but I think they should be allowed to practice their fun and even get married. Public displays no, but the same for heterosexuals as well... make sure everyone has rights, but don't take them away from me. I retain mine.


First of all, good to see you, Termy.

Second, the bolded part is precisely the difficulty. Where do your rights end and someone else's begin?

Third, it sounds like what you're really saying is everyone is free to act and believe exactly as you do.




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RE: The Department of Homeland Security says it is ille... - 7/28/2013 2:40:29 AM   
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It's illegal to do so without a permit, with a permit it is entirely legal. It is well within the right of the state, the county or a municipality to require a permit, they also require permits for certain types of games within a bar, the guy simply needs to buy the damn permit, and in Indiana, don't fuck with the Alcoholic Beverage Commission or you will simply not own a bar at all!(yep, they can close your ass down)


Yes. The only strange thing about this is why it was Homeland Security that got involved instead of, say, the local fire department.



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RE: The Department of Homeland Security says it is ille... - 7/28/2013 2:43:41 AM   
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RE: The Department of Homeland Security says it is ille... - 7/28/2013 2:46:37 AM   
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I've been hassled because my staff had a radio in the office that customers could hear so they tried to argue that I needed an entertainment license and they tried to make me get a TV license cos there was a monitor on the premises to watch the CCTV with.


Has homeland security ever come in and said anything about it?

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RE: The Department of Homeland Security says it is ille... - 7/28/2013 2:49:11 AM   
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http://www.in.gov/dhs/2358.htm

Take note on the left hand side. Its Indiana State DHS... the fire department falls under the IDHS. This IS the fire department in this dispute.

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RE: The Department of Homeland Security says it is ille... - 7/28/2013 2:52:09 AM   
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Take note on the left hand side. Its Indiana State DHS... the fire department falls under the IDHS. This IS the fire department in this dispute.


Yes, I saw that, but I still don't get it. Tying homeland security and the fire department just seems weird.

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RE: The Department of Homeland Security says it is ille... - 7/28/2013 2:58:21 AM   
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www.collarchat.com/m_3645951/mpage_1/tm.htm

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RE: The Department of Homeland Security says it is ille... - 7/28/2013 5:32:20 AM   
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Take note on the left hand side. Its Indiana State DHS... the fire department falls under the IDHS. This IS the fire department in this dispute.


Yes, I saw that, but I still don't get it. Tying homeland security and the fire department just seems weird.

When Indiana created their DHS they chose to put all first responders sorts under its jurisdiction. It does make a certain amount of sense.

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RE: The Department of Homeland Security says it is ille... - 7/28/2013 7:53:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		There are international fire safety codes that determine what the safety standards should be for different types of buildings and units, based on what they're being used for. Factories, for example, have different fire safety requirements from apartment buildings. And bars/restaurants (Assembly B) have different requirements from concert venues (Assembly A).

When you open a business (or church, etc), you have to get a Use & Occupancy permit from your local government based on what type of business you have, so they can make sure that your space is going to be safe for that use. If you're dishonest about what kind of business you're operating, putting your patrons at risk, you can get fined.

Now, there can be some questions or debate, I suppose, about the difference between a bar that sometimes has bands and a concert hall that sells drinks. But people have been burned or trampled to death in concert venues that didn't meet fire safety code (such as the one DomKen posted), so local governments are going to be watchful of that.

This isn't some evil government conspiracy.

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RE: The Department of Homeland Security says it is ille... - 7/28/2013 7:55:17 AM   
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Now why might it be that a state might want to know which businesses are packing a crowd in for live music?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Station_nightclub_fire



And then this one in January in Brazil - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiss_nightclub_fire

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