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RE: A huge hypocrisy factor within gender argument - 8/14/2013 2:25:54 AM

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Well from all our past discussions, it's obvious that you don't give a damn about the rights of men. You heavily favour women which isn't surprising coming from a feminist.

And again you only see the militant version regardless of who you are speaking too.. something else you were told my a MRA man that you were severely wrong about.

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Excuse me? She created it too. The bigots always forget that one.

Coerced? Far from it, I never said she should be forced to have an abortion. It's solely her choice.

The courts agree, it is her decision. And, based upon her decision, your responsibilities come into play.

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She can either choose to go ahead and take all the responsibility or end it all now. She has that choice, not the man. Someone can't be coerced when they freely have the choice to go either direction. If the woman wants to go ahead over the man's will, it's all her responsibility, as simple as that. It's her choice, which means HER RESPONSIBILITY.

In your laughable stance, you are trying to say that women shouldn't be responsible for the choices they make in this particular situation. Men must be punished for their choices.

Doesnt work that way. At this point, there is a child to consider. The courts will determine that both parents are responsible for the child and act accordingly... in the child's best interests.

Women who make that choice are responsible.. as much as the man. How you see that differently is beyond me and most people here.

If you dont like the laws... then get the changed. When it comes to the welfare of a child after its born, I simply cannot agree that a man can merely walk away after offering to pay for an abortion.

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RE: A huge hypocrisy factor within gender argument - 8/14/2013 2:27:45 AM

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ORIGINAL: naughtynick81

Anyway, the bottom line.

No choice should equal no responsibility.

Men having no choices should equal no responsibility.

They do have a choice... to fuck or not to fuck.

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If a man wants a child but the woman doesn't and yet she's pregnant, should she be forced to take responsibility in owning a child or should she have the choice to abort it all?

If you answer "yes" to the latter, what's the problem with my argument above?

I'm getting tired of all these anti male double standards

Because you cant force a woman to be an incubator because a man demands she become one. No more than a woman could force you to have a vasectomy because she doesnt want to get pregnant.

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RE: A huge hypocrisy factor within gender argument - 8/14/2013 2:33:03 AM

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ORIGINAL: naughtynick81

Anyway, the bottom line.

No choice should equal no responsibility.

Men having no choices should equal no responsibility.

Maybe this has already been covered but didn't the male have a choice *before* getting his dick wet? Don't want the potential outcome of paying child support? The answer is pretty easy. It's not like anybody doesn't know where babies come from. If a person doesn't want to be in the position of supporting their own off spring, don't engage in the act that creates them.

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RE: A huge hypocrisy factor within gender argument - 8/14/2013 2:36:33 AM

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He should have ensured pregnancy wouldn't result. That's his choice.

But not her choice, or responsibility. Got it> It's all on the guy, now.

Thanks for that enlightenment.

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RE: A huge hypocrisy factor within gender argument - 8/14/2013 2:43:40 AM

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

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ORIGINAL: hlen5
He should have ensured pregnancy wouldn't result. That's his choice.

But not her choice, or responsibility. Got it> It's all on the guy, now.

Thanks for that enlightenment.

No, its equal responsibility. As I said, come up with a birth control method that is 100% effective and we can revisit that. Both sexes know the risks going in.

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RE: A huge hypocrisy factor within gender argument - 8/14/2013 2:51:53 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: naughtynick81

Anyway, the bottom line.

No choice should equal no responsibility.

Men having no choices should equal no responsibility.

Maybe this has already been covered but didn't the male have a choice *before* getting his dick wet? Don't want the potential outcome of paying child support? The answer is pretty easy. It's not like anybody doesn't know where babies come from. If a person doesn't want to be in the position of supporting their own off spring, don't engage in the act that creates them.

Maybe the woman should think about the repercussions *before* she decides that she wants a dick inside her, to balance the situation. (And yes, this has already been covered).

No, it's not like nobody knows where babies come from, but if you are proposing to put the onus of any undesired outcome on men only, then you are in fact arguing that men are solely responsible for the situation, in which case the man should have sole discretion over the outcome.

Think about what you are saying, if that's not too much trouble.

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RE: A huge hypocrisy factor within gender argument - 8/14/2013 2:57:54 AM

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn
Maybe the woman should think about the repercussions *before* she decides that she wants a dick inside her, to balance the situation.

No, it's not like nobody knows where babies come from, but if you are proposing to put the onus of any undesired outcome on men only, then you are in fact arguing that men are solely responsible for the situation, in which case the man should have sole discretion over the outcome.

Think about what you are saying, if that's not too much trouble.

Actually, I'm saying both are equally responsible for consensual situations, but thanks for playing.

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RE: A huge hypocrisy factor within gender argument - 8/14/2013 3:14:51 AM

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I somehow missed that "equal responsibility" thing in your earlier post. I'm not sure if anyone else caught that either.

Was it the comment about "getting his dick wet" that should have been the clue for all the readers to understand your balanced view?

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RE: A huge hypocrisy factor within gender argument - 8/14/2013 3:24:17 AM

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It was in response to how a man is having to "pay" for all the consequences, which is ridiculous even on face value.

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RE: A huge hypocrisy factor within gender argument - 8/14/2013 3:34:29 AM

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It was about any and all undesirable consequences being due to the man's (and his only) lack of foresight, with the assumption that the woman is either strictly a victim if she engages in sex at all (an inadvertent though increasingly popular theme, as it turns out), or that she didn't understand how it might turn out, and that's OK, or that he didn't understand how it might turn out, and that's not OK.

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RE: A huge hypocrisy factor within gender argument - 8/14/2013 5:35:31 AM

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FR,

I would like to take this opportunity to remind y'all that you may attack the post, but not the poster.

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RE: A huge hypocrisy factor within gender argument - 8/14/2013 7:29:00 AM

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

It was about any and all undesirable consequences being due to the man's (and his only) lack of foresight, with the assumption that the woman is either strictly a victim if she engages in sex at all (an inadvertent though increasingly popular theme, as it turns out), or that she didn't understand how it might turn out, and that's OK, or that he didn't understand how it might turn out, and that's not OK.

I disagree on all counts.... and its been stated on this thread repeatedly.

Both are responsible.

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RE: A huge hypocrisy factor within gender argument - 8/14/2013 8:47:46 AM

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
If a person doesn't want to be in the position of supporting their own off spring, don't engage in the act that creates them.
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a person, is now just males?

Also
I wonder how many females take birth control daily, either pill, sterilization, iud, diaphragm, depo, to cover her chances of becoming pregnant compared
to how many men use a condom every time they have sex?

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RE: A huge hypocrisy factor within gender argument - 8/14/2013 8:59:59 AM

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They do have a choice... to fuck or not to fuck.

Ah yes. So then you also agree with the Republican line on birth control (barring medical conditions). If "fucking" is simply recreation then I see no reason the government ought to be funding people's leisure time activities. I think the question is a bit more complex than that.

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Because you cant force a woman to be an incubator because a man demands she become one.

Yeah... that's where i get tripped up also. In this case it's a question of competing rights in my mind along with the aesthetically desirable goal of minimizing abortions. I look forward to when we can incubate babies outside a womb.

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RE: A huge hypocrisy factor within gender argument - 8/14/2013 12:26:27 PM

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I look forward to when we can incubate babies outside a womb.

What's too look forwards to? It'd be doable now if the same bible bashing fuckwits who don't want women to be able to terminate an unwanted pregnancy weren't so dead against it. IIRC, a baby was brought to about six months in an artificial womb back in the late '60s (or possibly early '70s) and the plug was only pulled on the kid because of Jesus freaks objecting. Probably the only example of a Christian insisting on a second trimester abortion in history...

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RE: A huge hypocrisy factor within gender argument - 8/14/2013 12:34:29 PM

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Ah yes. So then you also agree with the Republican line on birth control (barring medical conditions). If "fucking" is simply recreation then I see no reason the government ought to be funding people's leisure time activities. I think the question is a bit more complex than that.

Not at all. I do believe that if the government is going to end up supporting children, then the government has a right to allow those who want to attempt to avert having children the ability to do so.

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Yeah... that's where i get tripped up also. In this case it's a question of competing rights in my mind along with the aesthetically desirable goal of minimizing abortions. I look forward to when we can incubate babies outside a womb.

The minute that happens I am all for a man having a say.

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RE: A huge hypocrisy factor within gender argument - 8/14/2013 12:43:50 PM

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If a male is paying child support, doesn't that pretty much mean that the baby was NOT put up for adoption?

In that case, how in the world can anyone argue that the female is not taking ANY responsibility?

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RE: A huge hypocrisy factor within gender argument - 8/14/2013 12:45:44 PM

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As far as that whole "if you're not going to pay to feed and house the kids, STFU about how the mothers are morally obliged to have them" thing goes, I take it you're aware that several economists have connected the increased access to abortion that followed Roe vs Wade with the fall in crime rates during the '90s?
A lot of members of the permanent underclass weren't born and so couldn't cause anybody else trouble. I do always wonder that Republicans are so rabidly anti birth control when it tends to drop the Dem-voting-welfare-dependent-scum vote a lot more than the GOP-voting-God-fearing-paranoid-whitebread vote. Obviously they're more scared of losing the Fundamentalist vote than they are of the other bunch winning elections.

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RE: A huge hypocrisy factor within gender argument - 8/14/2013 1:43:42 PM

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As far as that whole "if you're not going to pay to feed and house the kids, STFU about how the mothers are morally obliged to have them" thing goes, I take it you're aware that several economists have connected the increased access to abortion that followed Roe vs Wade with the fall in crime rates during the '90s?

Yes, and, frankly, I disagree. Its more akin to the aging population at that time.

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RE: A huge hypocrisy factor within gender argument - 8/14/2013 4:09:25 PM

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I somehow missed that "equal responsibility" thing in your earlier post. I'm not sure if anyone else caught that either.

Was it the comment about "getting his dick wet" that should have been the clue for all the readers to understand your balanced view?

I understood lady Ps meaning, it wasnt difficult. Normally the mother is left bringing up the kid while "dad" pisses and moans that his maintenance money stops him enjoyinh life.

As a man, if you dont want bring up a child, or even share the burden, then you shouldnt have sex, regardless that it takes two to tango.

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