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RE: its a crime to annoy somone in the UK - 8/3/2013 11:27:10 AM   
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right now- they are not enforcing the bike thing.

But the point is they could.

There is a climate that you shall not disent from the mayor and it it getting worse.

For now- a jury or peers- I doubt would convict a bike rider....

But then it also matters who you are- a big shot can have broken side walks, the average guy- nope- code guys are on it.

To take your bike example, that would be a local by-law, not a country-wide ban.
And it would have been put in place because of an abnormal number of drownings.
So in that case, it would be for safety reasons rather than anything 'big brother' that you might come up with.
And if you got caught breaking a law, you deserve everything you get IMHO.



This is another problem with both the UK and America. Do we really need to be nannied to this extent? The reason the bikes are being stopped is because someone's frightened of a civil case against them. Basically everyone's terrified of being sued.

This ridiculous crave for absolute security has been born from an epidemic of fear. That coupled with the fear of being sued, governs so many choices we make. We have become prisoners of our own making.

Whilst the general public refuse to take the blame for anything that goes wrong and whilst that very public threaten or even take up legal action because little Timmy lost his front tooth when on an adventure day out with the scouts, the over precautions that our local councils make will become more and more restrictive. Instead of taking more responsibility for your own action. The fear of law suits diminishes our freedom.

An example of where I live, there are outdoor climbing walls purposely built for tourists and locals. There is a sign saying, 'Adult supervision for children under the age of 16. Climb at your own risk and do not climb if you don't have all the correct equipment--->see here. If someone climbs it without the right equipment and has an accident, the person who had that accident will, if they survive, get a real telling off. The wall doesn't close down. More restrictions aren't put on that wall but the locals will talk about the stupid man who climbed up whilst drunk and without a rope. People here are expected to be responsible for their own actions. People here will only take out lawsuits in very rare instances.

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RE: its a crime to annoy somone in the UK - 8/3/2013 11:33:38 AM   
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100 cameras going up- some along the wall- does that remind you of any point in history?
http://www.nottheitem.com/fowl-deeds-on-the-riverfront/




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RE: its a crime to annoy somone in the UK - 8/3/2013 11:42:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Whilst I agree with your post to an extent, we in the UK aren't into suing everyone for every little mishap that happens.
Unlike the US where everyone treads on eggshells for fear of being sued.
It's not that common in the UK... fortunately.

I agree, many people need to take responsibility for their actions too.

Take the bike thing....
If little johnny drowned whilst riding his bike along the river bank, what happens??
In the UK, there would probably be some local by-law banning bikes from that part of the river.
In the US, the parents would be sueing the local authority for $millions for willful neglect.

But who is at fault??
To me, it's all down to the parents.
A) for not teaching sensible bike safety.
B) for not teaching safety around water.
C) for letting little johnny go riding his bike in a dangerous place without supervision.


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RE: its a crime to annoy somone in the UK - 8/3/2013 11:43:13 AM   
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I love the idea of cameras and welcome them.
I'd like to see one on every street corner.

The only people that have anything to fear are those indulging in nafarious activities.
As a deterant, it might help stop crime or reduce it.
Those being watched can feel safer that someone else is looking out for them.
And should something occur, they may well help identify the culprits and bring them to book.

All we need now is some decent jail sentences for the crooks over here.


The same can be said for the NSA electronic surveilence activities.

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RE: its a crime to annoy somone in the UK - 8/3/2013 11:49:29 AM   
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But who is at fault??




it comes down to the big money, and government having the ability to enforce its own interloping when there is money to be made and power to be gained in what otherwise would be a tort and caveat emptor for future bikers, hence its your choice based upon your talents and abilities, not some blood sucking cancer we call government.

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RE: its a crime to annoy somone in the UK - 8/3/2013 11:52:31 AM   
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100 cameras going up- some along the wall- does that remind you of any point in history?
http://www.nottheitem.com/fowl-deeds-on-the-riverfront/




Love it!!

It is actually illegal for an adult to ride a bike on a public footpath (sidewalk to you).
So yes, I would support the ban on riding bikes on that footpath.

I don't see it as big brother, or nanny state etc.
It's just sensible.
Why??
Because not all adults are sensible!!

We shouldn't need a nanny state but some people are just plain stupid and can't be trusted.
That's why these laws get to be there - stupidity!

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RE: its a crime to annoy somone in the UK - 8/3/2013 11:54:19 AM   
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But who is at fault??




it comes down to the big money, and government having the ability to enforce its own interloping when there is money to be made and power to be gained in what otherwise would be a tort and caveat emptor for future bikers, hence its your choice based upon your talents and abilities, not some blood sucking cancer we call government.

You're taking that snippet waaaay out of context to boost your weird view on things.
What I said had nothing to do with the government.

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RE: its a crime to annoy somone in the UK - 8/3/2013 11:58:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		^ so you would rather I drive my car to the store and make smog rather then use my bike?

I thought being green was good. And it is too far to walk on foot.

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RE: its a crime to annoy somone in the UK - 8/3/2013 12:00:05 PM   
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I love the idea of cameras and welcome them.
I'd like to see one on every street corner.

The only people that have anything to fear are those indulging in nafarious activities.
As a deterant, it might help stop crime or reduce it.
Those being watched can feel safer that someone else is looking out for them.
And should something occur, they may well help identify the culprits and bring them to book.

All we need now is some decent jail sentences for the crooks over here.


The same can be said for the NSA electronic surveilence activities.

That's a different ball of wax.
Not even similar.

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RE: its a crime to annoy somone in the UK - 8/3/2013 12:03:16 PM   
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^ so you would rather I drive my car to the store and make smog rather then use my bike?

I thought being green was good. And it is too far to walk on foot.

What's wrong with taking your bike out the front door and riding on the road?
Your logic beats me. lol.

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RE: its a crime to annoy somone in the UK - 8/3/2013 12:05:07 PM   
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^ so you would rather I drive my car to the store and make smog rather then use my bike?

I thought being green was good. And it is too far to walk on foot.

What's wrong with taking your bike out the front door and riding on the road?
Your logic beats me. lol.




There are tractor trailers on that road.

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RE: its a crime to annoy somone in the UK - 8/3/2013 12:08:09 PM   
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^ so you would rather I drive my car to the store and make smog rather then use my bike?

I thought being green was good. And it is too far to walk on foot.

What's wrong with taking your bike out the front door and riding on the road?
Your logic beats me. lol.




There are tractor trailers on that road.

And?????

Are you are telling me you don't have the sense to ride on a road with some traffic??
Shheeeesh!
Go on a bike course and learn how to ride safely.

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RE: its a crime to annoy somone in the UK - 8/3/2013 12:22:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: vincentML
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
I love the idea of cameras and welcome them.
I'd like to see one on every street corner.

The only people that have anything to fear are those indulging in nafarious activities.
As a deterant, it might help stop crime or reduce it.
Those being watched can feel safer that someone else is looking out for them.
And should something occur, they may well help identify the culprits and bring them to book.

All we need now is some decent jail sentences for the crooks over here.


The same can be said for the NSA electronic surveilence activities.

That's a different ball of wax.
Not even similar.


Right!

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RE: its a crime to annoy somone in the UK - 8/3/2013 12:24:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you read the link- then you know that is a dangerous road.

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RE: its a crime to annoy somone in the UK - 8/3/2013 12:28:16 PM   
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If you read the link- then you know that is a dangerous road.

Who cares if it's a dangerous road or not?
Aren't you taught road safety?

Sounds like a cop-out to me. Just flimsy excuses.
You just wanna break the law with impunity.

I don't buy it.
Blame the system and not the people.
Typical.

Anyways, if there were cameras there you can be assured that the police will get the plate of the driver so you can sue the pants off them! 

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RE: its a crime to annoy somone in the UK - 8/3/2013 12:33:31 PM   
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RE: its a crime to annoy somone in the UK - 8/3/2013 12:37:24 PM   
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You are missing the point -and that is- that everything is illegal.

Not where I am!

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RE: its a crime to annoy somone in the UK - 8/3/2013 12:48:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		I suddenly feel "annoyed" - I am going to have you arrested. lol

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RE: its a crime to annoy somone in the UK - 8/3/2013 12:52:32 PM   
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^ so you would rather I drive my car to the store and make smog rather then use my bike?

I thought being green was good. And it is too far to walk on foot.

What's wrong with taking your bike out the front door and riding on the road?
Your logic beats me. lol.





yeh ride your bike in on the freeway

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RE: its a crime to annoy somone in the UK - 8/3/2013 12:53:47 PM   
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If you read the link- then you know that is a dangerous road.

Who cares if it's a dangerous road or not?
Aren't you taught road safety?

Sounds like a cop-out to me. Just flimsy excuses.
You just wanna break the law with impunity.

I don't buy it.
Blame the system and not the people.
Typical.

Anyways, if there were cameras there you can be assured that the police will get the plate of the driver so you can sue the pants off them! 



yeh keep your bike off the freeway and away from cars doing 70 - 100 kmh

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