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RE: its a crime to annoy somone in the UK - 8/3/2013 12:55:24 PM

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Whilst I agree with your post to an extent, we in the UK aren't into suing everyone for every little mishap that happens.
Unlike the US where everyone treads on eggshells for fear of being sued.
It's not that common in the UK... fortunately.

I would love to agree but lawsuits in the UK are becoming more and more common. Accident help lines that claim on your behalf are everywhere. How many people now get whiplash injuries compared to 10-15 years ago when a car bump was just that and a claim was made for the repair of the car?
These companies openly encourage parents to put compensation claims in for things as minor as a child tripping in the school playground and being traumatized by it. Because of this, the supervises are told not to allow the children to run in the playground, not to go out if its raining or snowing because its slippy and not to go out when the sun is shining because of heat stroke!

My local infant school over here was under a meter of snow when not only did they let the children out in the playground but the teacher brought her dogs to school and allowed them out in the snow with the children. That would be unthinkable in the UK but I ask you, is it really so harmful or dangerous?

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Take the bike thing....
If little johnny drowned whilst riding his bike along the river bank, what happens??
In the UK, there would probably be some local by-law banning bikes from that part of the river.
In the US, the parents would be sueing the local authority for $millions for willful neglect.

But who is at fault??
To me, it's all down to the parents.
A) for not teaching sensible bike safety.
B) for not teaching safety around water.
C) for letting little johnny go riding his bike in a dangerous place without supervision.

I wholeheartedly agree with you but it would depend on the age of the child. If that child was at senior school and out with his mates fooling around, fell in the water and drown, I would call it an unfortunate accident.

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RE: its a crime to annoy somone in the UK - 8/3/2013 1:04:15 PM

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^ so you would rather I drive my car to the store and make smog rather then use my bike?

I thought being green was good. And it is too far to walk on foot.

What's wrong with taking your bike out the front door and riding on the road?
Your logic beats me. lol.

yeh ride your bike in on the freeway

Thats what the poster said.

No one rides their bike on that road- and we actually do have a biking club here in town- each outing there is more people. The riverfront improvement costs us in the millions- and we were sold that it was a park for everyone. I dont think anyone is out to get me- but why should this even be an issue? We have an election coming up- and if you disagree with the current administration you are WRONG.

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RE: its a crime to annoy somone in the UK - 8/3/2013 1:14:23 PM

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Whilst I agree with your post to an extent, we in the UK aren't into suing everyone for every little mishap that happens.
Unlike the US where everyone treads on eggshells for fear of being sued.
It's not that common in the UK... fortunately.

I would love to agree but lawsuits in the UK are becoming more and more common. Accident help lines that claim on your behalf are everywhere. How many people now get whiplash injuries compared to 10-15 years ago when a car bump was just that and a claim was made for the repair of the car?
These companies openly encourage parents to put compensation claims in for things as minor as a child tripping in the school playground and being traumatized by it. Because of this, the supervises are told not to allow the children to run in the playground, not to go out if its raining or snowing because its slippy and not to go out when the sun is shining because of heat stroke!

This is mainly claims against insurance companies - not individuals.
And, many are proven to be fraudulent and are dismissed.

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ORIGINAL: MariaB
My local infant school over here was under a meter of snow when not only did they let the children out in the playground but the teacher brought her dogs to school and allowed them out in the snow with the children. That would be unthinkable in the UK but I ask you, is it really so harmful or dangerous?

Actually, I think that sort of thing is highly dangerous no matter what the breed of dog.
The dogs don't know the children and the children don't know the dogs.
Height of stupidity if you ask me - totally irresponsible.

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Take the bike thing....
If little johnny drowned whilst riding his bike along the river bank, what happens??
In the UK, there would probably be some local by-law banning bikes from that part of the river.
In the US, the parents would be sueing the local authority for $millions for willful neglect.

But who is at fault??
To me, it's all down to the parents.
A) for not teaching sensible bike safety.
B) for not teaching safety around water.
C) for letting little johnny go riding his bike in a dangerous place without supervision.

I wholeheartedly agree with you but it would depend on the age of the child. If that child was at senior school and out with his mates fooling around, fell in the water and drown, I would call it an unfortunate accident.

I wouldn't.
I'd call it negligence on the part of the parents.
Right up until the age of 18 or when they leave home, parents are responsible for their offspring. Simples!

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RE: its a crime to annoy somone in the UK - 8/3/2013 1:20:40 PM

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But who is at fault??

it comes down to the big money, and government having the ability to enforce its own interloping when there is money to be made and power to be gained in what otherwise would be a tort and caveat emptor for future bikers, hence its your choice based upon your talents and abilities, not some blood sucking cancer we call government.

You're taking that snippet waaaay out of context to boost your weird view on things.
What I said had nothing to do with the government.

no brits pretend INDIVIDUAL choice which is the example I provided is weird and promote dependency on gub instead.

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RE: its a crime to annoy somone in the UK - 8/3/2013 1:23:46 PM

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I wouldn't.
I'd call it negligence on the part of the parents.
Right up until the age of 18 or when they leave home, parents are responsible for their offspring. Simples!

huh?

then how come the gub can come in and tell parents what they have to do with the kids? Sounds to me like if the gub wants to be in charge and micro manage then they should also accept the obligations and liabilities it incurs

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RE: its a crime to annoy somone in the UK - 8/3/2013 1:23:51 PM

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no brits pretend INDIVIDUAL choice which is the example I provided is weird and promote dependency on gub instead.

Just pure crap.

Go on believing it coz we don't.

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RE: its a crime to annoy somone in the UK - 8/3/2013 1:26:49 PM

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I wouldn't.
I'd call it negligence on the part of the parents.
Right up until the age of 18 or when they leave home, parents are responsible for their offspring. Simples!

huh?

then how come the gub can come in and tell parents what they have to do with the kids? Sounds to me like if the gub wants to be in charge and micro manage then they should also accept the obligations and liabilities it incurs

They only do that when parents are NOT looking after their kids! lol.

You really don't know much do you.

Always on your soapbox about the government and big brother and all other sorts of stupid nonsense.

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RE: its a crime to annoy somone in the UK - 8/3/2013 1:37:32 PM

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if he is annoying you, have him arrested!~

the almighty state knows best! haaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

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RE: its a crime to annoy somone in the UK - 8/3/2013 1:40:28 PM

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I'm sorry I was gonna leave this thread alone until some idiot mentioned police picking on the black and hispanic community.

I grew up in an inner city area and was in a low income housing project. As one of three white people (as in most of the teachers were also of color) in school I was picked on because the people of color would swear up and down I somehow antagonised them. A few were right but for the most part, NOT true.

Also because I was white I would get my butt kicked almost every day becuase I guess the color of my skin was offensive. I don't bitch about it and cops would crack me for not following the curfew ordinance right along with my buddies.

So drink a glass of shut up and get over your stupid racial conspiracy crap. Anymore that race card gets pulled so much a lot of perfectly good civil servants are losing their jobs because THEY were white on the wrong day and therefore must be racist!

BTW I am refrencing page three for the rest that are wondering why I'm ranting

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RE: its a crime to annoy somone in the UK - 8/3/2013 1:40:57 PM

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if he is annoying you, have him arrested!~

the almighty state knows best! haaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

The government have nothing to do with it.
It would be my individual choice.

But on what grounds??? Stupidity? Obtuseness??
Oh boy, I wish there were such a law!!!

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RE: its a crime to annoy somone in the UK - 8/3/2013 1:43:28 PM

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^ I have no idea what this means.

I seen the post that started that part of the conversation.

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RE: its a crime to annoy somone in the UK - 8/3/2013 1:45:24 PM

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for starters you are not a bike rider- hence you are affiliated with terrorists.

this is the logic- you are not just like me- so I am going to report you.

Key word is "annoyance"

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RE: its a crime to annoy somone in the UK - 8/3/2013 1:47:32 PM

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Well don't annoy a copper, that's for sure.

Yeah, I did annoy a train ticket controller in 2008 and that wasn't pretty...even less so as it not only cost me a pricey fee, lots of complaining from A to Z, so they decided at some point to drop their case against me (cause a conviction could actually have put an end to my studies even when that does have nothing to do with my studies and I was not willing to sit and wait quietly) ...nope on top of that I lost out on that day uni as my fibro was on full swing and once I have been at home I was just a massive lump of pain for the rest of the day...

There I learned my lesson...don't get annoyed...nobody is worth it on such a scale

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RE: its a crime to annoy somone in the UK - 8/3/2013 1:50:05 PM

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I'm sorry I was gonna leave this thread alone until some idiot mentioned police picking on the black and hispanic community......
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Only Feline brought this up and completely out of context.
Most of us ignored it.

And, FWIW, I don't believe his story about cops being trained to be racist either.
I'm not saying they don't exist but I don't believe they are trained that way.

This thread is about CCTV and the good it does for the majority of people.
It has nothing to do with racism or cops being trained in racism.

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RE: its a crime to annoy somone in the UK - 8/3/2013 2:35:50 PM

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I wouldn't.
I'd call it negligence on the part of the parents.
Right up until the age of 18 or when they leave home, parents are responsible for their offspring. Simples!

huh?

then how come the gub can come in and tell parents what they have to do with the kids? Sounds to me like if the gub wants to be in charge and micro manage then they should also accept the obligations and liabilities it incurs

They only do that when parents are NOT looking after their kids! lol.

You really don't know much do you.

Always on your soapbox about the government and big brother and all other sorts of stupid nonsense.

oh no no, they do that when parents are "reported" to be not looking after their kids, and the reporter is protected and kept anonymous by the interloper state. Money here and jobs to be protected!

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RE: its a crime to annoy somone in the UK - 8/3/2013 3:15:22 PM

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?? all we need is more laws.

That is what a statist is!

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RE: its a crime to annoy somone in the UK - 8/3/2013 3:50:17 PM

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huh?

then how come the gub can come in and tell parents what they have to do with the kids? Sounds to me like if the gub wants to be in charge and micro manage then they should also accept the obligations and liabilities it incurs

To give you libertarian whiners something to whine about, obvs.

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RE: its a crime to annoy somone in the UK - 8/3/2013 4:02:21 PM

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RE: its a crime to annoy somone in the UK - 8/3/2013 4:28:41 PM

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huh?

then how come the gub can come in and tell parents what they have to do with the kids? Sounds to me like if the gub wants to be in charge and micro manage then they should also accept the obligations and liabilities it incurs

To give you libertarian whiners something to whine about, obvs.

no libertarian here, though on a scale of 0 to 1 I would rather be a libertarian than a vassal.

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RE: its a crime to annoy somone in the UK - 8/4/2013 8:51:17 AM

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@Freedomdwarf1, I'd call it negligence on the part of the parents.
Right up until the age of 18 or when they leave home, parents are responsible for their offspring. Simples!

Are you saying we shouldn't let a child under the age of 18 out of our sight or without other adult supervision? and if they have an accident when under adult supervision, someone should get nailed for it?

Children have to be allowed out and whilst I appreciate that we have to educate our children (and that doesn't include instilling adult fear into them) we have to ensure they are playing in a safe environment, sometimes, even in what we consider a safe environment, accidents happen and there can be no blame attached.

Many teenagers get up to mischief, no matter how their parents have brought them up. I was brought up very close to crags and no matter how many times I was told not to climb the crags, that's where I went at every opportunity. I solo free climbed for most of my young adult life but I started solo free climbing when I was 13 with little regard for what my superiors were telling me. Surprisingly though, I always had a huge amount of self preservation. Why should my superiors take the blame when it was actually me who chose to deceive them? Should they of kept me on a leash or followed me to make sure I was sitting in my friends orchard ? or hanging around at a shopping mall?

I think what we must accept is, sometimes accidents happen. Recently here we lost 2 young boys Tito was a 12 year old boy with great promise in the climbing world. An adult had climbed a route before him and wrongly put in quick-draws which meant, when Tito climbed and eventually fell, he hit the deck and died. Someone was clearly responsible. The other was a 10 year old boy who was out with a climbing club when a rockfall crushed him. He was airlifted to hospital but his life support machine was switched off after 3 days. Nature is what killed the second child. The rock the club was climbing on has been used as a school wall for many generations but sometimes shit happens when you do a sport that includes unpredictable forces. In this second case, as heartbroken as the parents are, they are not looking to blame anyone.

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