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ORIGINAL: RacerJim

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ORIGINAL: papassion

Probably some of the people who said, "If Zimmerman had only listened to the Police........," that incident would not have happened.
Are the same people who are giving this kid a pass for NOT listening to the Police who ordered him to stop!

I'd bet that not one person blaming Zimmerman and the police instead of Martin and the kid has ever or will ever put themselves in Zimmerman's or the police's shoes.

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ORIGINAL: Winterapple

Lavender is my favorite color, Hill and you're welcome
at my house anytime.

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ORIGINAL: peope

An unfortunate accident.
If it had worked as intended he had gone down on the ground with perhaps a bruise.
Someone might as well have broken the neck if a cop had tripped the kid.

Simply a sad accident.

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ORIGINAL: papassion

Probably some of the people who said, "If Zimmerman had only listened to the Police........," that incident would not have happened.
Are the same people who are giving this kid a pass for NOT listening to the Police who ordered him to stop!

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ORIGINAL: Winterapple

I think the use of a weapon that has documented cases of causing
death on someone who was not committing a violent crime is
chilling. And the behavior of the policemen after using the taser
is if nothing else unprofessional and immature.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
Know what the tragedy is?
Now his friends can be charged with homicide.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
Know what the tragedy is?
Now his friends can be charged with homicide.

Explain, please. Did I miss something?

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ORIGINAL: Winterapple
I think the use of a weapon that has documented cases of causing
death on someone who was not committing a violent crime is
chilling. And the behavior of the policemen after using the taser
is if nothing else unprofessional and immature.

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• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
Know what the tragedy is?
Now his friends can be charged with homicide.

Explain, please. Did I miss something?

In Florida, if someone dies during the commission of a crime, any accomplices can be charged with the death as they contributed to the actions.

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Franchised owners dont tend to shut down their business, especially one like McDs.. it is usually the company owned ones that gets moved to a better location or shut down..

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Things like vandalism are part of doing business & tend to be calculated in already, just as the cost of insurance would be, just as the cost for any other maintenance would be, just as the cost of theft would be.. when was the last time McDs raised prices? its not usually cuz of a bit of graffiti, its usually cuz their costs for product and wages increase..

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There are ways of reducing the opportunity for graffiti or any vandalism.. putting up a high fence.. planting prickly shrubs like barberry bushes against the building.. painting with anti-graffiti paint.. installing a $20 motion activated light.. signs that state the property is under video surveilance (even if thats not true), signs that say trespassers will be prosecuted (then actually doing that).. etc.. If you value your property you do these kinda things..

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eta- re: the eyesore.. so you call up the city and they send a notice to the owner to clean it up or they will and send them the bill.. it no longer is an eyesore.. what i find as an eyesore are those homeowners, mechanics & business owners that dump drywall, reno garbage, old sofas, matresses, tires, etc along the road somewhere.. I see that quite frequently and much more than i see graffiti.

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ORIGINAL: igor2003

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Franchised owners dont tend to shut down their business, especially one like McDs.. it is usually the company owned ones that gets moved to a better location or shut down..

Franchise owners that aren’t making money and continually do business in the red can and do shut down their business all the time.

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Things like vandalism are part of doing business & tend to be calculated in already, just as the cost of insurance would be, just as the cost for any other maintenance would be, just as the cost of theft would be.. when was the last time McDs raised prices? its not usually cuz of a bit of graffiti, its usually cuz their costs for product and wages increase..

Yes, the cost of vandalism is part of doing business, and because of that the prices are what they are. I didn’t say that each and every time there is vandalism the cost of a Quarter Pounder goes up, did I? If there was NO vandalism EVER the cost of eating there, most likely, would be somewhat less. Probably only a few cents, if even that, but you and I, as consumers, are the ones paying that extra cost for the vandalism that the business has to deal with.

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There are ways of reducing the opportunity for graffiti or any vandalism.. putting up a high fence.. planting prickly shrubs like barberry bushes against the building.. painting with anti-graffiti paint.. installing a $20 motion activated light.. signs that state the property is under video surveilance (even if thats not true), signs that say trespassers will be prosecuted (then actually doing that).. etc.. If you value your property you do these kinda things..

When the taggers were painting my garage, the garage was on the alley behind my house, with the garage doors opening onto the alley. No place for a “high fence”, “prickly shrubs”, or “barberry bushes” unless they blocked the garage doors. A motion activated light would be going on and off every time a car went down the alley, and every time a man, woman, child, dog, cat, or squirrel went by, which would constantly burn out bulbs, and provide light for would-be night time taggers since the area couldn’t be seen from the house. The wall and doors being painted were not viewable from the house. Video surveillance for a house and garage nearly 100 years old, for someone with a fairly low income, is prohibitively expensive. The people doing the tagging know it is illegal. Do you really think signs stating that trespassers will be prosecuted is going to slow them down? Seriously?

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eta- re: the eyesore.. so you call up the city and they send a notice to the owner to clean it up or they will and send them the bill.. it no longer is an eyesore.. what i find as an eyesore are those homeowners, mechanics & business owners that dump drywall, reno garbage, old sofas, matresses, tires, etc along the road somewhere.. I see that quite frequently and much more than i see graffiti.

Yes, those things are definitely eyesores. But the topic of the moment is graffiti and tagging

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Yes, the cost of vandalism is part of doing business /snip


so are tazer deaths....

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ORIGINAL: tj444


of course any business can shut down, I was saying it was more likely a location owned by McDs directly.. and of course, who knows if it was a leased location owned by someone else.. the cost of tagging/vandalism is in the cost of burgers even if there is no actual vandalism or real cost.. so what? I go in to McDs knowing the price to me is $X and I decide if i want to pay that or not..

While you have had your experience with graffiti (you could still put up a cheap dummy camera and a Video Sureveilance sign for not much money) and see if that was enough of a deterrant.. but the topic of the moment is not your garage, it is a vacant McDs in which any of what i mentioned could easily be done...