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19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care?

He got what he deserved

15% (14)

I would take him to Disneyland

2% (2)

Cops are a cold hearted SOB

20% (18)

I personally am sick of looking at grapiti

12% (11)

Outlaw tazers

13% (12)

More people ought to tag

3% (3)

I want to live in a slum

1% (1)

Kids will be kids

11% (10)

Regulate sales of paint

7% (7)

Buy that cop a beer!

11% (10)

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RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? - 8/9/2013 11:31:26 AM

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My city solved the 'tagging' problem quite well some years back. Anywhere there was tagging on, was painted over with bright colored murals depicting things the city has to offer. And taggers were invited to take part in the project. For nearly 20 years, we've had very little tagging and more and more murals going up all over the city. The "community art" is something we can all be proud of and it keeps the talented artists who would otherwise just paint junk on the sides of abandoned buildings occupied and out of trouble with the law. Even many businesses in some of the poor neighborhoods have commissioned "community artists" to paint the sides of their buildings. Everywhere there is a mural today, there was lousy graphite when I was a teenager.

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RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? - 8/9/2013 11:36:34 AM

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The mother did a terrible job at raising that kid. If he were raised to respect his elders and his community he would be scrubbing that graphiit off the GMO whore McDonalds today!

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RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? - 8/9/2013 11:38:36 AM

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My city solved the 'tagging' problem quite well some years back. Anywhere there was tagging on, was painted over with bright colored murals depicting things the city has to offer. And taggers were invited to take part in the project. For nearly 20 years, we've had very little tagging and more and more murals going up all over the city. The "community art" is something we can all be proud of and it keeps the talented artists who would otherwise just paint junk on the sides of abandoned buildings occupied and out of trouble with the law. Even many businesses in some of the poor neighborhoods have commissioned "community artists" to paint the sides of their buildings. Everywhere there is a mural today, there was lousy graphite when I was a teenager.

I, for one, am stunned by the talent of some graffiti artists. For the life of me, I can't understand how they aren't making money selling their art to the general public. But, I'm also almost as talented in this medium as a pet rock, so, my critical analysis may be a tad bit off...

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RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? - 8/9/2013 11:46:20 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: erieangel
My city solved the 'tagging' problem quite well some years back. Anywhere there was tagging on, was painted over with bright colored murals depicting things the city has to offer. And taggers were invited to take part in the project. For nearly 20 years, we've had very little tagging and more and more murals going up all over the city. The "community art" is something we can all be proud of and it keeps the talented artists who would otherwise just paint junk on the sides of abandoned buildings occupied and out of trouble with the law. Even many businesses in some of the poor neighborhoods have commissioned "community artists" to paint the sides of their buildings. Everywhere there is a mural today, there was lousy graphite when I was a teenager.

I, for one, am stunned by the talent of some graffiti artists. For the life of me, I can't understand how they aren't making money selling their art to the general public. But, I'm also almost as talented in this medium as a pet rock, so, my critical analysis may be a tad bit off...

Some of these people are amazingly talented but there is a time and place and consent required for this.

Just like in erie's tale above, talented people and consent of the owners of the canvass as it were = really cool art.

The problem is that when you get talented people who act without consent. It's called a crime.

I mean I'm REALLY damn good in bed (A true artist if I say so myself) but I can't just drag a woman off the street, demonstrate my prowess as it were and not expect some damn serious consequences up to and including a painful, violent and well deserved death.

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RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? - 8/9/2013 11:47:47 AM

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Why should anyone have to spend any extra money so that special widdwe snowfwakes don't get hurt when they commit crimes?

How about this idea?

Don't commit crimes and you're likely to live longer.

Are we supposed to tattoo this inside every woman's uterus. "Warning little fetus, commiting criminal acts in the future could lead to your premature demise"

The ultimate warning label.

you can say that about so many things.. "Why should anyone have to pay for...".. of course in a perfect world we wouldnt even need cops or govt.. but this is not a perfect world.. so if you dont want your home to be broken into, you might put in an alarm system (why do homeowners pay for that?).. or do various other things to protect yourself and your property.. isnt that why so many Americans sleep with a gun under their pillow???

eta- yeah, its too bad the kid wasnt more educated and able to commit a white collar crime and be assured of getting away with it..

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RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? - 8/9/2013 11:49:52 AM

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we are change is organizing a protest in Miami.

I dont get it. A million man march for the right to destroy other peoples property. Makes no sense,

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RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? - 8/9/2013 11:53:06 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Why should anyone have to spend any extra money so that special widdwe snowfwakes don't get hurt when they commit crimes?

How about this idea?

Don't commit crimes and you're likely to live longer.

Are we supposed to tattoo this inside every woman's uterus. "Warning little fetus, commiting criminal acts in the future could lead to your premature demise"

The ultimate warning label.

isnt that why so many Americans sleep with a gun under their pillow???

That isn't to protect the special widdwe snowfwakes.

I'm just surprised that in a lifestyle that promotes morals and personal responsibility there are so many people who come running to the support of that poor little criminal.

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RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? - 8/9/2013 11:54:17 AM

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we are change is organizing a protest in Miami.

I dont get it. A million man march for the right to destroy other peoples property. Makes no sense,

They're special widdwe snowfwakes so they deserve to be pwotected no matter what they destroy.

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RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? - 8/9/2013 11:57:39 AM

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Again. Personal responsibility.

Don't commit a crime and you won't die in a tazer accident.

Don't hare off like a fuckwit pretending he's Charles Bronson in NYC and you won't spend weeks in court and face financial ruin.

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RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? - 8/9/2013 11:58:54 AM

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That isn't to protect the special widdwe snowfwakes.

I'm just surprised that in a lifestyle that promotes morals and personal responsibility there are so many people who come running to the support of that poor little criminal.

(sigh).. I am not supporting tagging or graffiti.. I just dont get my knickers in a twist about it or various other stuff that goes on, I consider that there is a possibility that certain things might happen (graffit, vandalism, theft, hurricanes, mortgage fraud against your property, etc) and if I want to reduce the chance of that from happening, I do what I can to prevent it or lessen the effects.. thats all..

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RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? - 8/9/2013 12:18:33 PM

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Maybe it has been said...but... I do feel for the mother of course...but tell me how many of you allow your children to be on the street 5am in the morning?

It really burns me when parents, used loosely, rant and rave at the police, when they are not properly supervising their children, and they are injured committing a crime. It is never their fault it is always the police.

Damit these kids just run wild and the parents blame every one and every race for their lack of parenting discipline.

As terrible as this is it is HER fault and no one else's...and she needs to hear it. She may have other children that are in danger because of her incompetence.

I sound cold and if this boy were closer to me I probably would not say it...but I would think it.

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RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? - 8/9/2013 12:19:35 PM

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Maybe it has been said...but... I do feel for the mother of course...but tell me how many of you allow your children to be on the street 5am in the morning?

It really burns me when parents, used loosely, rant and rave at the police, when they are not properly supervising their children, and they are injured committing a crime. It is never their fault it is always the police.

Damit these kids just run wild and the parents blame every one and every race for their lack of parenting discipline.

As terrible as this is it is HER fault and no one else's...and she needs to hear it. She may have other children that are in danger because of her incompetence.

I sound cold and if this boy were closer to me I probably would not say it...but I would think it.

Butch

He was 19. That's legally an adult.

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RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? - 8/9/2013 12:21:29 PM

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No he was 18...but it makes no difference he did not become a vandal overnight.

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RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? - 8/9/2013 12:39:09 PM

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No he was 18...but it makes no difference he did not become a vandal overnight.

Butch

I get two things from that statement (which is correct by the way. I trusted the topic title)

A: He was still an adult
B: You seem to feel he was an habitual criminal. (I do too)

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RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? - 8/9/2013 1:03:10 PM

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B: You seem to feel he was an habitual criminal. (I do too)

If vandalism is being a criminal then yes. As others have said it is not a capital offense....but... How many times have we read a news story where a child, and yes to me by his actions he was still a child, runs or fights with police and is killed or injured?

His actions are the fault of being raised without the proper adult social nurturing or supervision. The police are not at fault....an 18year old uncooperative man can be a danger...even to multiple police. I'm sure they had no intent kill this child despite the high fives.

As a police officer told me they are not required to give someone an even chance in an arrest... or risk injury. They have families they want to come home to as well. They were required to arrest this child like it or not. They would have much rather sat around eating donuts then to chase him down an arrest him... But it is their job...and an underappreciated one at that.

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RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? - 8/9/2013 1:09:16 PM

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B: You seem to feel he was an habitual criminal. (I do too)

If vandalism is being a criminal then yes. As others have said it is not a capital offense....but... How many times have we read a news story where a child, and yes to me by his actions he was still a child, runs or fights with police and is killed or injured?

His actions are the fault of being raised without the proper adult social nurturing or supervision. The police are not at fault....an 18year old uncooperative man can be a danger...even to multiple police. I'm sure they had no intent kill this child despite the high fives.

As a police officer told me they are not required to give someone an even chance in an arrest... or risk injury. They have families they want to come home to as well. They were required to arrest this child like it or not. They would have much rather sat around eating donuts then to chase him down an arrest him... But it is their job...and an underappreciated one at that.

Butch

I'll agree with you on those points especially the "not required to give someone an even chance".
That's why I taught some of them all those nasty, painful tricks.

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RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? - 8/9/2013 3:18:45 PM

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I'd like to put this disclaimer on this post:
I like and respect you Hill and nothing I'm going to say
in this post is meant to be disrespectful or arguementative
towards you or anyone else. My tone is calm and conversational.
I'm not being belligerent, hysterical or ranting.

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of Virginia and Texas any ideas. Their doing or proposing enough
invasions of women's bodies as is.

I don't think the boy was a special snowflake. But he seemed from
the article a decent enough kid. Nothing violent or drug related that
can be ascertained thus far. His role model wasn't a drug dealer
it was a press photographer. He was a budding entrepreneur .
Skateboards not drugs. That must say something good about him.
So, I think he was doing a few other things than vandalism.
He was an legal adult but a rather young one. Teenagers don't
always make the best judgements. Brains still growing.

The hard line take on nonviolent crime in this country is the chief
reason we have out current corrupt for profit prison system.
Our prisons are full of young men serving long sentences for
nonviolent crimes. We once had a prison system that was admired
and respected around the world

I own a commercial property and building. I wouldn't like to
see it vandalized. But I wouldn't want anyone to die for it
if they did. I wouldn't want anyone tazed or billy clubbed for
it either.

I went to art school and I'm an artist. I went to school with boys
who did just what this boy did. Very talented young men who now
make positive contributions to the arts and society. Quite a few
respected artists have a background as graffiti artist. The most
well known is probably the late Jean-Michel Basquiat. I bet this
boy knew about him, maybe he was even inspired by him.
As for myself I tend to take Norman Mailer's view that art is worth
a little risk. Though sad to think that a person not living in
a totalitarian state would pay the ultimate price for creative
expression.

I feel bad for the policeman who killed this boy. He's going to
have to live with this for the rest of his life. And on some dark
night of the soul he might struggle with what happened.

An 18 year old boy is dead. A boy who was committing a nonviolent
crime and who showed poor judgement. He wasn't innocent in
what happened to him but I can't rationalize that he deserved
the outcome he was dealt. He was someone's son, a human being,
a boy who seemed to show promise and he's dead.

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RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? - 8/9/2013 5:00:43 PM

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winterapple you have all my esteem for what you wrote

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RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? - 8/9/2013 5:12:49 PM

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I feel bad for the policeman who killed this boy. He's going to
have to live with this for the rest of his life. And on some dark
night of the soul he might struggle with what happened.

An 18 year old boy is dead. A boy who was committing a nonviolent
crime and who showed poor judgement. He wasn't innocent in
what happened to him but I can't rationalize that he deserved
the outcome he was dealt. He was someone's son, a human being,
a boy who seemed to show promise and he's dead.

This

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RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? - 8/9/2013 5:19:44 PM

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Miami will mercifully be able to sleep tonight now that this
dangerous, hardened, master criminal has been taken down.
High Five!

An unarmed, scrawny teenager whose only brush with the
law was a shoplifting offense. And they send 5 cops after
a kid committing a nonviolent, victimless crime? Crime rate
is that low in Miami these days? And in the end there
was a victim.

This boy wasn't a gang member or violent and the police knew
that. It's all the more sad that the young man was talented,
had goals and was trying to make something of his life.

What I find sad is that same talented kid didn't have the sense to not run from cops. Then he would have had the opportunity. I also feel sorry for the cop who thought he was only stopping the kid and now has to live with the fact that he killed a kid.

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