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RE: Tolerance of Islam in Toronto - 8/14/2013 8:40:30 PM   
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Why is comedy like this, not insulting Allah, so wrong to you.


That's a really good question. I will try to answer for myself.

I first thought the OP was satirizing people for thinking they were extending the Moslem community a great deal of "tolerance" by allowing them to build a mosque. I thought that was damn funny, because it's ironic that anyone would fancy themselves "tolerant" for allowing a mosque to be built. The OP said there was public resistance to the idea, and I simply assumed that that resistance was due to religious prejudice. In that context, mocking non Moslems for their intolerance makes sense (assuming religious intolerance really is the reason for the resistance**) because it's true.

I could have mistaken who the real target of the jokes was. Maybe the jokes were making fun of Moslem communities for expecting tolerance while being intolerant themselves. This is why I don't think that's funny... it has nothing to do with it being "mean" to make fun of religions or minorities... It's simply that I don't actually see that kind of intolerance coming from Moslem communities in places like the U.S. and Canada. Granted, my experience is limited, but I've never seen it. That's the reason I don't find that funny. Not because it's "mean" but because it references something which (at least in my limited experience) isn't actually there. It is not true.

The joke about being intolerant of teaching girls to read really would have been funny if it had been made in reference to Afganistan, because that is true in Afganistan. I would have laughed at that one. But to say the same thing about Toronto is not funny, because it's not true in Toronto. At least, I doubt it.

I wouldn't have laughed at the joke about acid burns no matter which country had been referenced, because I think it's just in poor taste to make fun of torture, whether it's true or not.

I can see where you're coming from with the "people are being too politically correct" thing, and I sympathise, because I'm not terribly politically correct myself. However, I would like to submit for your consideration that in this case I didn't think the jokes were funny because...they just weren't funny. And not because I thought they were "mean" or politically incorrect.

** It's very likely that the public outcry against the Toronto mosque is actually a question of traffic and parking problems, but this wasn't clear in the OP, and I don't think it makes a difference to whether the jokes were funny.

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RE: Tolerance of Islam in Toronto - 8/15/2013 12:16:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		I guess I am just easily amused...and at least in my part of the world there has been a call by the Muslim community to be more tolerant when at the same time they refuse to condemn the radical actions of their church without the big...yes but... I have no problem condemning the radical actions of Christians and I hear no call for tolerance from Christians in general even thought their beliefs are constantly attacked...especially on these boards.

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RE: Tolerance of Islam in Toronto - 8/15/2013 12:33:20 PM   
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I guess I am just easily amused...and at least in my part of the world there has been a call by the Muslim community to be more tolerant when at the same time they refuse to condemn the radical actions of their church without the big...yes but... I have no problem condemning the radical actions of Christians and I hear no call for tolerance from Christians in general even thought their beliefs are constantly attacked...especially on these boards.

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Agreed. Any person calling for tolerance while refusing to condemn the actions of extremists from their own religion is being hypocritical.

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RE: Tolerance of Islam in Toronto - 8/15/2013 2:13:58 PM   
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RE: Tolerance of Islam in Toronto - 8/15/2013 3:15:03 PM   
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RE: Tolerance of Islam in Toronto - 8/15/2013 3:52:22 PM   
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I have no problem condemning the radical actions of Christians and I hear no call for tolerance from Christians in general even thought their beliefs are constantly attacked...especially on these boards.


One thing that strikes me about this thread (as another poster mentioned) is how often people characterise a religion by it's extremes: the worst thing that it's adherents have ever done, or by what it's doctrines were hundreds if not thousands of years ago.

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RE: Tolerance of Islam in Toronto - 8/15/2013 3:54:01 PM   
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I guess I am just easily amused...and at least in my part of the world there has been a call by the Muslim community to be more tolerant when at the same time they refuse to condemn the radical actions of their church without the big...yes but... I have no problem condemning the radical actions of Christians and I hear no call for tolerance from Christians in general even thought their beliefs are constantly attacked...especially on these boards.

Butch


Its bullshit to say Muslims dont condemn the violence of terrorists. WTF Christianity having a few critics on here has to do with your OP, who knows.

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RE: Tolerance of Islam in Toronto - 8/15/2013 4:07:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		We have been over this and over this in other threads... I can only go by my area.. perhaps Muslims, in general, are different in your area. Yes... they condemn the violence but almost always add a "but" then make excuses for the actions of the terrorists.

Muslim violence needs to be condemned with no buts... Just as Christian atrocities and violence need to be condemned with no buts. There should never be a BUT to violence.

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RE: Tolerance of Islam in Toronto - 8/15/2013 4:17:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am guessing the Muslims in Toronto, mentioned in your OP, are also not in your area. Which rather makes your "joke" debatable.

I also doubt anyone would make such a "joke" and suggest people "pass it on" without it being vindictive.


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RE: Tolerance of Islam in Toronto - 8/15/2013 4:24:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was not comparing the two areas... this part of the thread was a response to a side issue from another poster.... You know how that goes.

Threads on CM remind me of the game played in our second grade classroom. The teacher would whisper a sentence in the ear of the first in the first row. They would turn to the child behind and repeat the best they could what the teacher said. By the time the sentence reached the last child it never had any resemblance to what the teacher said. Same with these threads... the start and end never resemble each other.

So let me repeat.. I think it is funny in a irreverent way and don't care if it is politically correct. And as Lucy said it should have been posted elsewhere.

Butch

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RE: Tolerance of Islam in Toronto - 8/15/2013 4:28:56 PM   
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RE: Tolerance of Islam in Toronto - 8/15/2013 4:34:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		I absolutely agree with you... Are not freedom of speech and opinion grand.

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RE: Tolerance of Islam in Toronto - 8/15/2013 4:36:44 PM   
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I was not comparing the two areas... this part of the thread was a response to a side issue from another poster.... You know how that goes.


I'll give you credit that you meant this as a joke and not as a political statement. But Politesub53 is reinforcing the idea that in order for someone to find this joke funny, they have to believe it's true for the region (or, for that matter, time) that's being referenced in the joke.

It doesn't make sense to say you think it's only true for one region (or time), and then make a joke that implies it's true about another region.

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RE: Tolerance of Islam in Toronto - 8/15/2013 4:41:23 PM   
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RE: Tolerance of Islam in Toronto - 8/15/2013 4:42:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not sure I understand what you are saying... for me it was funny... I am not from that area... for you it was not... the area has nothing to do with it... You do not have to be from the area to find it funny you just have to understand why it is funny... or not depending on your idea of funny.

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RE: Tolerance of Islam in Toronto - 8/15/2013 4:45:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		For example, it would be like making fun of Italian Americans for the practice of crucifiction.

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RE: Tolerance of Islam in Toronto - 8/15/2013 4:47:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Now it would be different if a millionaire decided to open and name the businesses in question just to irritate Muslims... But there is no danger of that... I can laugh at the inference and if I were a Muslim I would laugh as well and maybe come back with something just as funny. Part of the problem in this world is we take each other too seriously... we need to loosen up and laugh... at ourselves and each other.

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RE: Tolerance of Islam in Toronto - 8/15/2013 4:49:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		My grand father was first generation Italian...how about you... Have you ever laughed at a father son and the holly ghost joke? I have... lighten up!!

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RE: Tolerance of Islam in Toronto - 8/15/2013 4:51:20 PM   
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My grand father was first generation Italian...how about you... Have you ever laughed at a father son and the holly ghost joke? I have... lighten up!!


You are deliberately missing my point.

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RE: Tolerance of Islam in Toronto - 8/15/2013 4:52:22 PM   
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