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RE: What would you do? - 8/14/2013 9:14:14 AM   
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So, you're out. Where are you and what's next?

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RE: What would you do? - 8/14/2013 9:14:44 AM   
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I'm a young, new dom,


He's mid-40s and claims experience, per her first thread.


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RE: What would you do? - 8/14/2013 10:19:12 AM   
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point = missed

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RE: What would you do? - 8/14/2013 10:45:50 AM   
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quote:

I think that post doesn't conflict with anything Actual OP has posited. I think perspective is important.


While I agree that perspective and both sides of the story is important, if you read her other threads you will see that your hypothetical does conflict quite a bit.

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Hi everyone. I'm sheela. Sorry if my post seems very dumb but I honestly didn't know who else to ask. I have been with my boyfriend for about 8 months. He is much older than me which is okay by me ( I'm 24 he is mid 40) and I'm crazy for him. About a month ago he told me that he enjoys bdsm and wants me be to be his sub and stuff. I never ever even heard of it. When I asked what it means he said "from now on , you have no saying and I'm in charge". I'm a very shy and geeky lol so I thought it shouldn't be a big deal. We had what he calls a "session" on Friday and he loved it but to be honest my body is still sore and I didn't enjoy it at all. I was just following his orders and it was incredibly painful . Is there a way for a "sub" to actually enjoy it or you just have to take it because your Dom said so? He is not good at communicating ( he gives general explanations like no whining no crying but screaming is ok, or if i ask questions in the middle i get punished ..) and hates it when I ask too many questions so I just shut up...Thank you very much for reading my post

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He did do warm up for a few minutes ... Worst part was using the belt on me and anal after that . He has no lube policy so for anal he pushes until its in. I don't wanna complain and nag but I bleed after that...

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Yes he says he knows what he is doing. He said I'm not used to it and after a while ill love it. For now, I'm not enjoying it at all..

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I asked him this question. He said he has this kind of relationship only with girls he really loves . He said when he is not serious with a girl he does vanilla stuff . He said he wanted to live with me first and be sure about me then talks about the subject. I'm not regretting moving in with him . I'm crazy for him. I'm just trying to find a way to make it work

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I'm not a martyr .I was just telling a poster in pm about this. I get turned on when I see him turned on. When I give him bj I cum at the same time ( he is not in to eating out much) because I can feel I can get him hard . He said he gets turned on when he sees his girl tolerates pain for him. I guess he was expecting me enjoy it too because he got turned on but it didnt happen. He HATES lube. He says lube kills it because there won't me much resistance. Plus he says using lube is for gays lol.. He used to penetrates me when i was sleep sometimes ( I usually was waken up in the middle). He tried anal once when i was sleep and i didnt bleed (maybe because I was relaxed?) maybe I should ask him to do anal this way only lol


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RE: What would you do? - 8/14/2013 10:58:01 AM   
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I'm killing time at the airport lol. I came here early. I couldnt get much sleep last night . I was so nervous plus my butt and back were killing me . Im glad I book my ticket yesterday because this morning I was so tempted to give him one last chance. I don't think he cares that I left But I'll block his email and I'm planning to change my number.


Good for you for getting out and stay strong. I expect him to do the big song and dance to try to get you back.

Maybe for inspiration pick up a copy of Stephen King's "Rose Madder" at the airport or at the library when you get to where you are going.

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RE: What would you do? - 8/14/2013 11:30:28 AM   
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quote:

I'm killing time at the airport lol. I came here early. I couldnt get much sleep last night . I was so nervous plus my butt and back were killing me . Im glad I book my ticket yesterday because this morning I was so tempted to give him one last chance. I don't think he cares that I left But I'll block his email and I'm planning to change my number.


Good for you for getting out and stay strong. I expect him to do the big song and dance to try to get you back.




Congratulations, sheela. I'm relieved you made it out safely.

I don't know about him making a song and dance to get her back. As self-absorbed and emotionally stunted as he is, I think he'll just try to go on to the next one. Btw, sheela, that is no reflection on you whatsoever. He's a peniswrinkle.

To descrite: keep up. It would have saved you a bunch of time posting your conjecture.

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RE: What would you do? - 8/14/2013 1:47:13 PM   
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Sheela, I'm also relieved to read that you're out. I agree with the other postings: block contact so you can sort out yourself.
All the best to you and looking forward to your posts.

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RE: What would you do? - 8/14/2013 2:46:06 PM   
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quote:

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It just made me so angry how he completely ignored the OPs pains.


As the OP did so, I didn't feel the need to differ.

Want to know what's weird? You're ignoring her partner's pain.

In a 180 from another recent thread, responders hear one side of a story and side completely with the OP (as opposed to the OP's partner) by making assumptions or ignoring data that might contribute to understanding more. Just from reading the thread, I don't know:

- The OP's age

- Her partner's age

- Her partner's financial situation

- Who financed the move cross-country

- What promises were made prior to the move

- What agreements were made in terms of the relationship (quids for pro quo)

- What kind of play has taken place up until now (aside from some very specific items that have no other context, i.e., "no-lube anal")

- Who was expected to finance the trip to a cross-country wedding on New Year's Eve

- What the partner does for a living, and whether this could allow for time off at year's end




For giggles (NOT because I'm making assumptions, but to demonstrate how lack of data can skew perspective), let me post a theoretical converse OP:


Hi. I'm a young, new dom, totally infatuated and besmitten with my new sub. We got in touch via the Web only a few months ago, and really hit it off. We did a lot of flirting and talking via messages and email, then onto the phone (and terrific Skype sex!). She's really amazing, and loves everything we do.

I've just finished school, and have a good job, but I'm working real hard (50 hours+ per week) getting myself established and paying back my student loans. But we love each other, so I wiped out my savings moving her out to live with me. I hope to marry her next year, when I'm a bit more established.

My problems:

1) She wants to go to her friend's wedding back on the other side of the country for New Year's. I had not budgeted for the move this year (again, we only met a few months ago), and I really, really didn't budget for a cross-country trip for two; I had no idea something like that was coming up. I'd like to do something nice for Christmas (it will be our first together), but I'm already wiped out, and roundtrip airfare for two from coast to coast is out of the question, and forget about all the travel expenses. She doesn't have a good job yet, and I'm shouldering all the living expenses, so she can't be expected to cover the costs of the trip. I really don't want her to see me as weak and vulnerable, so I didn't just tell her that. Like a dumbass newbie dom, I just gave her an impossible task, instead, with the wedding trip as a "reward," hoping she'd fail or decline...but I think I've just hurt her feelings, instead. What should I do? I really love this girl, and don't know how to show her.

2) I have made some missteps in our interactions, sexual and otherwise. We'd always talked about no-limits interactions, and she calls herself a painslut, but I'm new to most of this, and while I'm doing my research, she's asking for things I haven't really been familiar with...and I'm trying things I've never done before, because I've liked the idea of them for so long and feel like I finally have a partner with whom to explore them. For instance, we were having sex the other night, and she told me she wanted me to "ram it up her ass." We'd never done that before, but she was really wet, and she asked me to, so I did...but it ended up causing some slight bleeding. She told me she loved it, and she seems to have had an orgasm from it, but it kinda freaked me out. Should I continue to do these things, even though they're scary and new?


3) When we were communicating earlier in the relationship, she made me feel great. She told me how she couldn't wait to get out here, and all the things she wanted us to do together, and how her whole life centered on me and making me happy. Well, within two months of her arrival, all she does is complain, and ask for way more than I have to offer. Before she arrived, I told her how I'm struggling to establish myself, financially and otherwise, and how I limit my recreation to going out twice a month. She was totally behind me on this, and talked about how we could find so many fun things to do at home together, and that's what she really wanted. Now, though, she wants to go out every night, and will complain if we don't go out at least twice a week(!!), and I am freaking out about the cost as well as the fact that I have to get up early for my commute. She complains about everything, from my house to the way we're having sex, to the way I dominate her. She was so supportive and loving before she moved out here, and now she just seems to mock and vilify everything I try to do for her. I'm at a loss-- how do I approach this?


edited two hours later: She's gone. I came home from work today, and she's not here anymore. She completely left me, out of the blue, without even talking about it. I feel so empty and numb. I feel like I'm dead on my feet. I'm having a tough time typing right now.





break-break. End hypothetical OP.


I think that post doesn't conflict with anything Actual OP has posited. I think perspective is important. I think half a story is no story. I think biases on this board skew the collective conversation unilaterally to significant degree. And I think lack of experience and communication skills make new doms as vulnerable as new subs, but with an added layer of responsibility and onus for carrying the relationship.

Gosh, did I ignore the poor little sub's feelings?

Well, who stepped up to consider the dom's feelings?


Instead of even asking for deeper explanations, this board has leapt to suggesting calling law enforcement on the poor bastard, which would result (in many states) in branding him a sexual offender, and destroying his career (possibly before it's even begun), thus crushing not just the relationship (which OP already did, in secret) but his whole life. Instead of even considering there was more to the story, this board branded him abusive and worse.

Sweet Jesus on a pogo stick, people-- you're reacting like the same Puritanical dipshits who would castigate us for the things we choose to do which make us happy: taking specific acts out of context and drawing alarmist conclusions from them.

For shame. Shame on us all.










Apparently you missed the other thread the OP posted in.
Your hypothetical directly conflicted with everything she said.

He is not a new dom.
She had never engaged in any type of BDSM before, so how can she be some type of pain slut or sub for that matter?

They were in a completely vanilla relationship and she moved to be with him.


He told her he wanted to engage in BDSM with her and told her they were going to have their first session.
Their "first session" involved beating her without a warm up.
He then had anal sex without using lube (because he needs to feel resistance and also because in his opinion "lube is "gay").
She had bleeding he could see and he did not stop because her pain was such a turn on for him.

They only one taking things wildly out of context is you.

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RE: What would you do? - 8/14/2013 7:23:37 PM   
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Good work. I'm glad you knew yourself well enough to book the ticket in advance and not give yourself the opportunity to back down.

You'll also want to change passwords on all your email accounts, etc. Anything that you gave him access to needs to be protected from him.

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RE: What would you do? - 8/14/2013 7:30:33 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

quote:

I'm killing time at the airport lol. I came here early. I couldnt get much sleep last night . I was so nervous plus my butt and back were killing me . Im glad I book my ticket yesterday because this morning I was so tempted to give him one last chance. I don't think he cares that I left But I'll block his email and I'm planning to change my number.


Good for you for getting out and stay strong. I expect him to do the big song and dance to try to get you back.

Maybe for inspiration pick up a copy of Stephen King's "Rose Madder" at the airport or at the library when you get to where you are going.


I kind of wish he did but he did the exact opposite lol..


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RE: What would you do? - 8/14/2013 7:33:18 PM   
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point = missed



I wouldn't say point missed so much as point invalid.

I agree that the internets tend to breed lots of conjecture into a thread, but in this case there hasn't been much. I was going to respond to your hypotheticals hypothetically, but I'm tired and it's frankly not worth the effort.

You're a bright guy, but sometimes taking the opposite tack really isn't doing anything to enhance the conversation.

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RE: What would you do? - 8/15/2013 2:08:18 AM   
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I'm killing time at the airport lol. I came here early. I couldnt get much sleep last night . I was so nervous plus my butt and back were killing me . Im glad I book my ticket yesterday because this morning I was so tempted to give him one last chance. I don't think he cares that I left But I'll block his email and I'm planning to change my number.


Good for you for getting out and stay strong. I expect him to do the big song and dance to try to get you back.

Maybe for inspiration pick up a copy of Stephen King's "Rose Madder" at the airport or at the library when you get to where you are going.


Excellent reading selection!!

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RE: What would you do? - 8/15/2013 2:29:15 AM   
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I love Rose Madder...excellent choice!

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RE: What would you do? - 8/15/2013 5:38:54 AM   
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I should have said "inapplicable" rather than "invalid".

I agree generally with the point descrite was trying to make, but I don't think it's at all relevant to this conversation.

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RE: What would you do? - 8/15/2013 6:14:57 PM   
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To the OP, how are you?

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RE: What would you do? - 8/15/2013 7:00:39 PM   
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Well, the fuckin guy has her account monitored, he could have piped up.



really? and so she posted a few days ahead of time that she was going to sneak out and leave him?

mhmm.

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RE: What would you do? - 8/15/2013 9:45:29 PM   
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To the OP, how are you?


Sorry for no update here. I wrote one in "I admit" thread. I'm okay. I'm at my friend's house. He is really nice. I applied to couple of jobs today. I also emailed my old boss asking if I can have my old job back lol

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RE: What would you do? - 8/16/2013 5:27:59 AM   
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I can't handle the premise of the original post.

A wedding is a celebration. If it's the wedding of someone you care about and who's a good influence on you, then he has no cause to deny permission to attend. And I'd seize the opportunity to attend with you, to get insight into the kids of people who are your friends, and to make a statement publicly that we're together.

A Dom should be able to request a blowjob from his sub whenever he wishes. So him rewarding you for sucking him hints that he doesn't really feel comfortable simply asking for them. Either he doesn't feel secure enough in his power, or he simply enjoys making you follow rules for their own sake.

Going to a wedding, and giving blowjobs are two entire;l different things, and shouldn't be linked. He did so badly.



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RE: What would you do? - 8/16/2013 7:47:03 AM   
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I'm glad to read it. Hope you find a job and your peace of mind, slowly.
I'm only a little older than you (27) and had to learn many things the hard way, because I wouldn't listen to more experienced people. So it's good to see that you listened before it got so bad that your life got wrecked. You got out. I hope to read how you go on :)
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RE: What would you do? - 8/16/2013 9:15:55 AM   
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I can't handle the premise of the original post.

A wedding is a celebration. If it's the wedding of someone you care about and who's a good influence on you, then he has no cause to deny permission to attend. And I'd seize the opportunity to attend with you, to get insight into the kids of people who are your friends, and to make a statement publicly that we're together.

A Dom should be able to request a blowjob from his sub whenever he wishes. So him rewarding you for sucking him hints that he doesn't really feel comfortable simply asking for them. Either he doesn't feel secure enough in his power, or he simply enjoys making you follow rules for their own sake.

Going to a wedding, and giving blowjobs are two entire;l different things, and shouldn't be linked. He did so badly.



Well I guess I'm going to the wedding now that we are not together lol. I gave him blow job every time he asked. I guess the problem was he had late night shifts couple of times a week and I was sleep by the time he came home ( or maybe as you said he wasnt comfortable asking? who knows) Having said that , couple of times he did penetrate when I was sleep ( well almost since I usually woke up half way through).


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