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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: joether
If someone walked up and stated they wish to challenge me, that's their choice. The burden of proof is on them, NOT ME, to prove that 1) I am not who I say I am, 2) I do not live where I say I do, or 3) I am neither who I say I am nor live where I stated I lived. Last I checked, in the United States of America, one accused of a crime does NOT have to prove their innocence beyond a shadow of doubt but quite the opposite.

Follow this made up story and let me know who if Mr. E gets to vote or not.
Mr. E. goes to the polling place and states a name and address. The poll workers, who don't actually know Mr. E. verify the name and address. Now, I walk up and challenge Mr. E. I would have to prove that Mr. E. is not the person he named, does not live at the address stated, or both, right? Let's say I am the next-door neighbor to the address given by Mr. E. and, thus, the neighbor of the name given. I know for a fact that Mr. E. is not my neighbor.
How am I to prove that Mr. E. isn't my neighbor?

How about this one that is true.
Ms W from a rural area has lived in the same house for 50+ years. She is so elderly that she has no birth certificate nor has she ever driven. She gets by on her ex husband's pension. She never worked off the farm so she has no SS.
Her son drives her to the polling place and literally every person there knows her.
Does she get to vote?
True story, Western TN, She was denied.
It was the first election of any kind she had missed since Roosevelt was president.
As for your question, you write the election commission in your county.
They will investigate and if Mr E was shown to have voted fraudulently, he would be arrested by the county Sherriff.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

In your recommended course of action, Mr. E. would have been found to have voted fraudulently. That means voter fraud. Had my neighbor gone to vote after Mr. E., he'd have been denied since "he had already voted." Your solution allows for a person to be denied their right to vote.

Mine does not.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
In your recommended course of action, Mr. E. would have been found to have voted fraudulently. That means voter fraud. Had my neighbor gone to vote after Mr. E., he'd have been denied since "he had already voted." Your solution allows for a person to be denied their right to vote.
Mine does not.

No, your neighbor would not have been denied if he could have proven who he was. The poll workers would give him a provisional ballot and flag the first Mr E's vote.
Seriously, if I wrote to your election office 6 weeks before the election and requested and filled out an absentee ballot in your name and sent it in, you'd have the same problem wouldn't you?
How do Voter ID laws prevent that?
They don't.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
In your recommended course of action, Mr. E. would have been found to have voted fraudulently. That means voter fraud. Had my neighbor gone to vote after Mr. E., he'd have been denied since "he had already voted." Your solution allows for a person to be denied their right to vote.
Mine does not.

No, your neighbor would not have been denied if he could have proven who he was. The poll workers would give him a provisional ballot and flag the first Mr E's vote.
Seriously, if I wrote to your election office 6 weeks before the election and requested and filled out an absentee ballot in your name and sent it in, you'd have the same problem wouldn't you?
How do Voter ID laws prevent that?
They don't.

So, the "solution" is to allow there to be easy fraud in both the in-person voting and in the provisional voting. Brilliant!

The evening polling workers won't know that my neighbor hadn't come in the morning and already voted or not. Unless the poll workers are the same for the whole day, without any breaks, there is no guarantee that whoever votes in the morning would be remembered at night.

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What other forms are accepted in place of an "official ID?" A VISA? Yup. But, to get a VISA, wouldn't a Citizen need to prove Citizenship? I'm thinking that's the case. A SSN card isn't required for your W-2, either. A valid birth cert. will suffice, too. I think you need 2 forms if you use your DL as one, but only one if you use your VISA.

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What other forms are accepted in place of an "official ID?" A VISA? Yup. But, to get a VISA, wouldn't a Citizen need to prove Citizenship? I'm thinking that's the case. A SSN card isn't required for your W-2, either. A valid birth cert. will suffice, too. I think you need 2 forms if you use your DL as one, but only one if you use your VISA.

To answer your question... based upon employment... one has to fill out an I-9 form....
http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-9.pdf
The last page has the listed requirements for ID for employment.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
In your recommended course of action, Mr. E. would have been found to have voted fraudulently. That means voter fraud. Had my neighbor gone to vote after Mr. E., he'd have been denied since "he had already voted." Your solution allows for a person to be denied their right to vote.
Mine does not.

No, your neighbor would not have been denied if he could have proven who he was. The poll workers would give him a provisional ballot and flag the first Mr E's vote.
Seriously, if I wrote to your election office 6 weeks before the election and requested and filled out an absentee ballot in your name and sent it in, you'd have the same problem wouldn't you?
How do Voter ID laws prevent that?
They don't.

So, the "solution" is to allow there to be easy fraud in both the in-person voting and in the provisional voting. Brilliant!
The evening polling workers won't know that my neighbor hadn't come in the morning and already voted or not. Unless the poll workers are the same for the whole day, without any breaks, there is no guarantee that whoever votes in the morning would be remembered at night.

They could look and see the signature on the registration book was different.
Have you ever voted?
You sign a log book. That's how they know you've already voted.
The solution of the ID people is to make voting in person more difficult and keep fraud easy for those who use early voting.
Is that less brilliant?
It's more expensive to the taxpayer.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

That's reassuring. Thank God no one can fake a signature.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
Thank god no one can fake an ID. I don't see anything solved.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
Well, it helps the gerrymander and the electronic voting, as well as the statewide fraud at the party machinery level. It is like a get out the vote on a massive scale. With 130 million people voting some old hairy cunt voting six times ain't gonna have any appreciable impact.
Never gonna solve it. The rank and file voter crap is de minimis.
We have other things that are really of more importance, changing our constitution such that corporations as well as the lobby's are less effectual, and non-effectual respectively on our vote, and laws.
Killing the military-industrial complex.
Outlawing the electoral college and going to strict popular vote for all offices. Look, the electoral college is a shadow of the legislature, made up of favorite and militant party hacks, there is no way for a broad spectrum of ideas or parties or interests to be made endemic to our legislatures without that fucker gone. We are always gonna be an either or more of the same, until we toilet that bitch.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
Well, it helps the gerrymander and the electronic voting, as well as the statewide fraud at the party machinery level.

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ORIGINAL: imogenempire

Not an American so I don't vote there, but I lived in the States for the time and still visit. My American friends in the East Coast tell me they are required to present a driver's license and/or a voter registration card. I consider myself to have quite liberal politics but I don't see the problem in being required to prove you're a citizen and resident in a right that is only granted to citizens of the nation and residents of the state.

We have a very effective system for establishing that a person registering to vote is a citizen. Having to show an ID from a very short list when arriving at the polling place, after having successfully registered, is simply an attempt to prevent citizens that have a hard time acquiring an ID on that short list from voting.

Like illegals and people who have voted in three other districts

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
Well, it helps the gerrymander and the electronic voting, as well as the statewide fraud at the party machinery level.

In my mind that's a lot like saying "dumping a teaspoon of water in the ocean fills the ocean". Sure it does... in some mathematically obscure sense.

Electronic voting, in particular, is pretty much the end of actual elections in the US. You got a single point of failure. You got a security setup made by clowns... and untrustworthy ones at that. It's the world's biggest honeypot. Once hacked (or just misused by the CEO in question) then you have done voter fraud at the national level including ALL votes tabulated by that corporation.

You and I will need to agree to disagree on this. Don't get me wrong, I see the other things you listed as important also but giving away the entire vote to some CEO seems pretty bad too.

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin
yes yes we certianly can't have NC doing what MOST states ALREADY DO!
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Most states have not gone to this extreme yet. That's why North Carolina is 'first' in the nation to do this....

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin
More than three-fifths of states currently have some kind of Voter ID law, and even more have no same-day registration. Not all states allow in-person early voting.

Please give the source.

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin
While there is significant resistance to Voter ID laws on the left, polls generally show the American people support them by large margins. Recent North Carolina polls and a Washington Post poll last year showed nearly three-quarters support requiring voters to show photo ID.

And the source this is one is where?

By not giving sources to back up where you got your information, allows anyone to discredit the information as 'B.S.'.

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FR,

Alrighty then, let's stay on topic, which is not other posters or MLB.