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ORIGINAL: BitYakin

probably most people have lost a wallet or purse in thier life, they all replace thier ID's, yes yes its a pain in the ass, but they DO IT and MOVE ON!
you are taling about a TINY FRACTION HERE!

BY your logic, since it was a pain the ass, those peope that lost thier wallets should have just said YA KNOWWW it a pain so I am not going to replace all my ID's and that should be JUST FINE

THEY did it, you did it, I have done it, probably almost EVERYONE has had to do it!

SOOO WHAT!

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Hundreds of miles?!?!? There are 266 License offices in NC, where at it's widest, it's 150 miles and 560 miles across. You would only have to go "hundred's of miles" if you were out of state. But, if you're out of state on voting day, you'd likely have already sent in an absentee ballot.

Going Thru Hell for an ID:

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Starting January 1, 2014, the Division of Motor Vehicles will begin issuing no fee ID Cards to be used for voting. Proof of age, identity, North Carolina residence, and verification of voter registration will be required.

Maybe in the more arid and less populated states one may have to drive "hundreds of miles" to get to a DMV, but it's not likely.

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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So they now have to register to vote in NC even if they arent residents?

You cannot legslly vote in any state except your state of residence. Period.

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Hundreds of miles?!?!? There are 266 License offices in NC, where at it's widest, it's 150 miles and 560 miles across. You would only have to go "hundred's of miles" if you were out of state. But, if you're out of state on voting day, you'd likely have already sent in an absentee ballot.

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On the other hand, I do find it hard to fathom that anyone in this day and age can get along without some form of ID. When I was a teenager, I was counting the days before I was old enough to get a driver's license. A few years later, I cherished my ID as I needed it to get into bars and buy cigarettes. (I was out with some buddies going to a bar once, and one of the guys in our group forgot his ID. Everyone was pissed at him because we had to go back and get it.)

Many of us are speaking mainly about people who are our parents generation or even older.

http://www.phillytrib.com/newsarticles/item/3784-seniors-hit-hard-by-voter-id-law.html

You might want to read that for a better understanding of what many people are talking about.

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Starting January 1, 2014, the Division of Motor Vehicles will begin issuing no fee ID Cards to be used.............

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
Maybe you don't understand the point I, and a number of other people on this thread, have been trying to make. Establishing citizenship at registration is fine, that includes establishing citizenship the first time someone votes after something like a mailed in registration. What I oppose is very restrictive voter ID laws that serve no purpose but to disenfranchise groups perceived to be more likely to vote for Democrats.

"Very Restrictive?!?!?"

How would one establish citizenship when they go vote? Perhaps, a valid Government ID?

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If they can do that, why not simply do that each and every time? Is the poll worker going to know that each person on the voter roll is, for sure, a citizen? That it's their first time voting? That the person is who he/she says he/she is?

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I get the idea that someone who has voted for the last 50 years and is known by every single person in the tri-State area could probably not need to show ID, but what of those who haven't? Who have recently moved? Etc.?

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I'd rather err on the side of requiring ID, adding in exemptions for certain people. I'd also like to see a program in each locality that would help those without ID to get one. And, that program be free for the participants. And, a State ID be free for those who can't afford it.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
I'd rather err on the side of requiring ID, adding in exemptions for certain people. I'd also like to see a program in each locality that would help those without ID to get one. And, that program be free for the participants. And, a State ID be free for those who can't afford it.

I agree with this. I think this would solve most of the concerns being raised, since ID cards do cost money. So, if states are required to issue free identification cards to citizens who request them, then that may do the trick. Passports and passport cards should also be issued free upon request (whether people can afford it or not).

The state issued id is free for some people in NC (I think) but that is not the issue, for some people if the closest place for getting the id is several hundreds of miles away, that is the issue cuz obviously they don't drive or have a vehicle so no way to get there.. and in addition to that, don't they need a birth certificate to get the id?

I lost my ID once and that was hell.. and I don't carry all my ID with me like some people do.. One time I found a guys wallet and it was 2 inches thick with all the cards & ID he had collected over his entire life.. how do you even start to replace all that? Whether you lose your ID or don't have any, its like going thru hell to get, imo.. just sayin'

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Registering to vote requires proof of citizenship and proof of address. Most, All?, states send out a voter ID card that verifies that the voter is still at the same address.

well I can't speak for all states, but in missouri as of this time, registering to vote does NOT require any proof of citizenship, all thats required in missouri is a utility bill

http://www.dss.mo.gov/fsd/voter_registration.pdf

6. Optional – If registering by mail for the first time, please submit a copy of one of the following forms of identification: current or valid photo ID, current utility bill, bank statement government check, paycheck or other government document that shows your name and address, birth certificate, Native American tribal document or
other proof of United States citizenship. (You will be required to present identification when you vote.)

Seems like they establish citizenship right there. No need to change the law.

REALLLY a UTILITY BILL establishes CITIZENSHIP???

Try reading the part I bolded. Have someone explain any of the words you don't understand.

I read them and understand them QUITE FULLY...

it says a UTILITY BILL is an acceptable form of ID, now I asked you to explain to me HOW a UTILITY BILL establishs CITIZENSHIP

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

We're talking about the voting rights of American citizens, not the problems of foreigners who lose their wallets in the US while simultaneously (as I read your post) having their drivers license revoked in their home country.
Try to focus (and, no, we pretty much don't care how it is done in America's freezer).

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ORIGINAL: Zonie63

Don't get me wrong. I would rather that people just take you at your word and not constantly ask for ID wherever you go. I don't like having to carry my "Papers" around with me all over the place, but I've learned that I'm better off with them than without them. I agree that it's not a requirement (nor should it be), but for all practical purposes, I was just wondering how any could realistically get through life without some form of ID.

And I agree that getting the birth certificate is a pain in the butt. I had one but somehow lost it somewhere. When I needed to reapply for my passport (because I lost that somewhere along the line too), I had to drive all the way up to San Jose because I didn't want to wait six weeks for it to arrive in the mail. It was easier and quicker that way. So, now I have my passport, passport card, drivers license, my Social Security card, medical insurance card, dental insurance card, my Fry's/Kroger discount card, my Walgreens discount card, my Ace Hardware card, my Office Depot card, my CPR card, my Get Out of Jail Free card... but I seem to have misplaced my library card.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Hundreds of miles?!?!? There are 266 License offices in NC, where at it's widest, it's 150 miles and 560 miles across. You would only have to go "hundred's of miles" if you were out of state. But, if you're out of state on voting day, you'd likely have already sent in an absentee ballot.

Its not hundreds of miles there, however, its not as simple to get to one as most believe. The south isnt full of public buses. Most of NC is rural. Many women never learned to drive. Come on folks, this isnt rocket science. We now have a population that are basically being told "despite having voted for decades, unless you can prove who you are today, you cant vote".

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave
No.
I show my ID when I vote.
North Carolinians should too, imo.
And in the opinions of the legislators they elect

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)