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RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote - 8/15/2013 3:11:20 PM   
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No.
I show my ID when I vote.
North Carolinians should too, imo.
And in the opinions of the legislators they elect


Oh, horseshit. The elected legislators have no right to enact laws on the citizens that elected them to enact laws!!


Do you still think the citizens actually elect legislators..and congresspeople..and presidents?

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RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote - 8/15/2013 3:25:23 PM   
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No.
I show my ID when I vote.
North Carolinians should too, imo.
And in the opinions of the legislators they elect

Oh, horseshit. The elected legislators have no right to enact laws on the citizens that elected them to enact laws!!

Do you still think the citizens actually elect legislators..and congresspeople..and presidents?


Boy, if that's not the case, then ya'all can hush about "vote suppression," right?


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RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote - 8/15/2013 3:52:12 PM   
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Did you go to the DMV.org link? NC is crawling with DMV's. Look at the map. There is a low density spot in the lower right area where it could be an issue, but, the map doesn't show population density and doesn't have the "satellite" feature the regular google maps has.

Tradition has little to do with anything here. You know, you used to not be required to have a driver's license to be allowed to drive, right?


I know NC well. I know places that are 50 miles away from the closest town. People there are long term residents who started checking accounts when IDs were not required. So many only have a birth record in a family bible.

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RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote - 8/15/2013 7:39:12 PM   
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ALSO if you were really DETERMINED, you could just go from state to state, get a DL, the wait a week or so and go back and tell them you LOST THE CARD and get a replacement DL, and head to the NEXT STATE

this doesn't even take alot of thought!

And when they did a computer search of your SSN (which you need to apply for a DL), I would show multiple licenses (or attempts to obtain same) and you would end up with a bemused state trooper standing behind you fingering his handcuffs.

Any time a person applies for a DL, the DMV does a multi state search to find out whether you have a DL in another state and whether it is suspended to has any restrictions on it.
This has been true at least since '96 which is the last time I made an interstate move.

If things worked the way you say, I could lose my license to a DUI and all I'd have to do is move 15 miles to NC or 20 to VA and claim residency to get a brand new license.

It doesn't work that way.

It doesn't take a lot of thought to figure that out.



I have explained this, but you don't LIKE the answer so it means it NOT A VALID ANSWER

the QUESTION, was about EXPIRED DL's all you have to do is get a replacement DL, turn one in and keep the second card, BINGO an EXPIRED DL to use as ID!

You were explaining how one could obtain valid driver's licenses from multiple states.
I was explaining how you were wrong.

Read the words I write, not what you assume I meant.


you may have a point, it was over 10 years ago that I had multiple valid DL's

but I will say this, if you do it as I stated you will still have a CARD that may not in fact be VALID, but to the average polling place attendant woud APPEAR VALID!

I will say this, though, I had a missouri DL, moved to rexas got a texas DL, kept my missouri card, moved to seattle wash, then to millwauke wis, then returnd to missouri...

when I went to RENEW my missouri DL, the checked the RECORDS and found my outsanding ticket in wis, but never said a single word about me surrendering my texas DL!

again you may be correct, in the modern tech age, ones prior DL's may be electronicly effectivly automaticly surrendered...

but in the end, you'll still have a card that LOOKS VALID!


PS. since we KNOW its not legal to hold more than one valid DL, scruples about it being ACTUALLY VALID weren't part of my equation... you'll still be holding cards that for all intents and purposes is valid, it would not be questioned by anyone with MAYBE the exception of being pulled over by the police who will actually RUN A CHECK ON IT

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RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote - 8/15/2013 7:54:32 PM   
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probably most people have lost a wallet or purse in thier life, they all replace thier ID's, yes yes its a pain in the ass, but they DO IT and MOVE ON!
you are taling about a TINY FRACTION HERE!

BY your logic, since it was a pain the ass, those peope that lost thier wallets should have just said YA KNOWWW it a pain so I am not going to replace all my ID's and that should be JUST FINE

THEY did it, you did it, I have done it, probably almost EVERYONE has had to do it!

SOOO WHAT!

some id I could not replace or have sent to me, I would have had to go back to Canada to get that DL replaced, I had to apply for a CA DL and that was a pain cuz I lost my Canada DL in the middle of the process so I had to jump thru more hoops.. and my CA library card I can not replace until I go back to CA in person (I am in TX right now).. my bank cards were easy to replace.. but since I don't carry all my ID I had that stuff at home (birth certificate, passport) to prove who I was.. some people tho they have their birth certificates & SSN cards in their wallets all the time.. that makes it considerably things considerably harder..

If I lost my CA DL right now then to get it replaced I would have to travel back to CA.. if you lose your id, especially DL its more than a pain, it means you can not drive and how do you fly or even take the greyhound to get back there when you need to show ID now to travel?



and yet you GOT IT DONE didn't you, thanks for proving my point!

the point is when you lost ANYTHING its inconvienient, sorry LIFE is inconvienient, but thats just the WAY IT IS!

I am not interested in hearing how we should let a SMALL PERCNETAGE of CRIME exist because its INCONVIENIENT!

ya know at some point alot of drivers felt it was INCONVIENIENT to get a DL too, but they ALL DID IT!

this is a petty crybaby argument to use because you otherhwise HAVE NO ARGMENT!

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RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote - 8/15/2013 8:01:18 PM   
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Hundreds of miles?!?!? There are 266 License offices in NC, where at it's widest, it's 150 miles and 560 miles across. You would only have to go "hundred's of miles" if you were out of state. But, if you're out of state on voting day, you'd likely have already sent in an absentee ballot.

Going Thru Hell for an ID:
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    Starting January 1, 2014, the Division of Motor Vehicles will begin issuing no fee ID Cards to be used for voting. Proof of age, identity, North Carolina residence, and verification of voter registration will be required.


Maybe in the more arid and less populated states one may have to drive "hundreds of miles" to get to a DMV, but it's not likely.

that is what a discussion was on tv & that was the reasoning one of the dudes used, I don't know for sure if it was NC, and I certainly don't know the geography at any rate (since I will never be there or anywhere near).. but I expect distance to get id is a factor for some people.. if the only transportation is a bus and none are on the bus routes or to far or involve walking if they have physical limitations.. for some people a few miles can be too far, dude.. you are obviously a driver that has never had to take the bus!


I have traveled both locally on buss's and nationally on buss's, and YESSSS it was inconvienient, so I went threw the trouble to get a DL and a vehicle and INS so I wouldn't be INCONVIENIENCED like that anymore

BOOOO HOOOO,

the fact is the people you describe are VERY VERY RARE, and ID's are not some NEW FANGLED THING that just popped up last week, they CHOSE as some point to say FUCK IT, now they have to deal with the CONSQUENSES of that desicion!

GET OVER IT!

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RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote - 8/15/2013 8:14:29 PM   
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Registering to vote requires proof of citizenship and proof of address. Most, All?, states send out a voter ID card that verifies that the voter is still at the same address.


well I can't speak for all states, but in missouri as of this time, registering to vote does NOT require any proof of citizenship, all thats required in missouri is a utility bill

http://www.dss.mo.gov/fsd/voter_registration.pdf

6. Optional – If registering by mail for the first time, please submit a copy of one of the following forms of identification: current or valid photo ID, current utility bill, bank statement government check, paycheck or other government document that shows your name and address, birth certificate, Native American tribal document or
other proof of United States citizenship. (You will be required to present identification when you vote.)

Seems like they establish citizenship right there. No need to change the law.



REALLLY a UTILITY BILL establishes CITIZENSHIP???

Try reading the part I bolded. Have someone explain any of the words you don't understand.


I read them and understand them QUITE FULLY...

it says a UTILITY BILL is an acceptable form of ID, now I asked you to explain to me HOW a UTILITY BILL establishs CITIZENSHIP

No, it does not. It says you must submit one of those when registering by mail and you must present ID the first time you try to vote.



ya know, I am not supposed to attack the poster, but what am I to do when the poster is to lazy to click the LINK provided


I'll put it in here AGAIN


http://www.sos.mo.gov/elections/voterid/

Acceptable IDs to Vote
Registered voters need to present ONLY ONE of the following types of ID (examples only):

ID issued by the Federal Government, state of Missouri, or a local election authority;
ID issued by a Missouri institution (public or private) of higher education, including a university, college, vocational and technical school;
A copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, paycheck, government check or other government document that contains the name and address of the voter;
Driver's license or state identification card issued by another state.


that is a MISSOURI GOV'T link that shows ACCEPTABLE FORMS OF ID you can use to VOTE

I posted TWO seperate links, one for registering, and one for VOTING, BOTH accept a UTILITY BILL as a form of ID

note the words REGISTERED VOTERS, meaning this to VOTE not REGISTER since they are ALREADY REGISTERED VOTERS!


CLICK the LINK, READ THE PAGE!




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RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote - 8/15/2013 8:22:39 PM   
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We're talking about the voting rights of American citizens, not the problems of foreigners who lose their wallets in the US while simultaneously (as I read your post) having their drivers license revoked in their home country.
Try to focus (and, no, we pretty much don't care how it is done in America's freezer).

I never said anything about how it was done in Canada, just that it was impractical for me to go back just to replace it.. (please try to read what I actually say).. Yakin basically said replacing ID was no big deal, I pointed out that it was.. and that would be true for those Americans that travel and lose their DL especially.. and I didn't lose my most basic doc which is a person's birth certificate.. I expect it is worse for Americans that have lost or misplaced theirs..


NOOOO I did NOT say it was NO BIG DEAL, I said its just something that needs to be done, so quit WHINING ABOUT IT!

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RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote - 8/15/2013 8:24:41 PM   
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<boring ranting deleted>

Did you actually look at the form in question. They want the last 4 of your SS#. Want to bet they can index a last 4 to your legal name and determine if your really are a citizen?

Do you really think an entire state simply lets anyone vote with no precautions?

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RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote - 8/15/2013 8:27:54 PM   
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I have traveled both locally on buss's and nationally on buss's, and YESSSS it was inconvienient, so I went threw the trouble to get a DL and a vehicle and INS so I wouldn't be INCONVIENIENCED like that anymore

BOOOO HOOOO,

the fact is the people you describe are VERY VERY RARE, and ID's are not some NEW FANGLED THING that just popped up last week, they CHOSE as some point to say FUCK IT, now they have to deal with the CONSQUENSES of that desicion!

GET OVER IT!

1. There are places where busses (not buss's) just don't go nor is there a taxi service.

2. Why should a person's constitutional rights be abridged over a problem that has never been actually shown to exist.

It's like the Liberals and Conservatives swapped teams.

Who is pushing legislation that will: Waste tax dollars, Inconvenience law abiding citizens trying to exercise their constitutional rights over a problem that has never actually been shown to exist and create another level of bureaucracy and bloat government more than it already is?

It's the big government, tax and spend Liberals right?

Uhhhh no. It's those other guys.

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RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote - 8/15/2013 8:29:15 PM   
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Did you actually look at the form in question. They want the last 4 of your SS#. Want to bet they can index a last 4 to your legal name and determine if your really are a citizen?

Do you really think an entire state simply lets anyone vote with no precautions?


as a matter of a fact YES I DID,

Box 8 – Last Four Digits of Social Security Number
Required for registration unless you do not have a Social Security Number. (§115.155, RSMO, §115.158, RSMo.) If you do not have a
Social Security Number, leave blank.


DUHHHHHHHHHHHHH

maybe YOU should read it in its ENTIRETY and not just pick out the phrases you LIKE!

as far as do I think a state lets people vote with NO precautions, welll I showed you the ACTUAL GOV'T LINKS for the STATE of missouri

for both registering and voting it CLEARLY SAYS, we'd like this or that ID, but if you DO NOT HAVE THOSE a UTITLITY BILL will DO!

I didn't make this stuff UP, read the links!


nit pic ANY PHRASE in em you like and I'll refer you to the part in BOTH where it CEARLY SAYS if you don't have ANY OF THAT a UTILITY BILL will DO!

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RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote - 8/15/2013 8:40:35 PM   
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2. Why should a person's constitutional rights be abridged over a problem that has never been actually shown to exist.


for the SAME REASON, I have to PROVE I am who I say I am to access my satelite TV service and cell phone account, or telephone account, or gas or elect, etc etc etc...

I will point out though, when they ask you for proof, and you tell em to fuck off they WILL still let you PAY THE BILL!
heheheh

here is a funny lil story, I had to activate a sat tv reciever just TODAY, they asked my name and address and phone number, THEN said I needed to give my 4 digit pin number
I said I have NO IDEA what it is, she says, its the last 4 digits of your phone number, I said well I just gave you my phone number so you already have that, she says I am sorry sir, you have to ACTUALLY SAY the NUMBERS for me!

HAHAHAHAH

cause thats the WORLD WE LIVE IN TODAY,

so stop WHINING cause some people DECIDED they didn't need to PARTICIPATE in the world and do these things WAYYY BACK when they were EASY TO DO and NOOOW there is somehting they WANT TO DO and they have to deal with the consquesnses of thier DESICION to not participate

at SOME POINT all these people you are worrying about made a CONSCIOUS DESICION to say NAAAAA I'll never need one of the new fangled ID's, and NOW they realize HEYYY I DO NEED ONE and are CRYING cause they didn't DO IT when it was EASY TO DO!

they ALL SAW THE HANDWRITING ON THE WALL and CHOSE to IGNORE IT!

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RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote - 8/15/2013 8:59:40 PM   
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NOOOO I did NOT say it was NO BIG DEAL, I said its just something that needs to be done, so quit WHINING ABOUT IT!

I will quit whining when you quit whining about my whining..

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RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote - 8/15/2013 9:00:05 PM   
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2. Why should a person's constitutional rights be abridged over a problem that has never been actually shown to exist.


for the SAME REASON, I have to PROVE I am who I say I am to access my satelite TV service and cell phone account, or telephone account, or gas or elect, etc etc etc...


None of those are constitutional rights.

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RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote - 8/15/2013 9:02:26 PM   
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2. Why should a person's constitutional rights be abridged over a problem that has never been actually shown to exist.


To scrub voting roles and give Republican candidates a new edge in the elections.

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RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote - 8/15/2013 9:11:33 PM   
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Hundreds of miles?!?!? There are 266 License offices in NC, where at it's widest, it's 150 miles and 560 miles across. You would only have to go "hundred's of miles" if you were out of state. But, if you're out of state on voting day, you'd likely have already sent in an absentee ballot.

Going Thru Hell for an ID:
    quote:

    Starting January 1, 2014, the Division of Motor Vehicles will begin issuing no fee ID Cards to be used for voting. Proof of age, identity, North Carolina residence, and verification of voter registration will be required.


Maybe in the more arid and less populated states one may have to drive "hundreds of miles" to get to a DMV, but it's not likely.

that is what a discussion was on tv & that was the reasoning one of the dudes used, I don't know for sure if it was NC, and I certainly don't know the geography at any rate (since I will never be there or anywhere near).. but I expect distance to get id is a factor for some people.. if the only transportation is a bus and none are on the bus routes or to far or involve walking if they have physical limitations.. for some people a few miles can be too far, dude.. you are obviously a driver that has never had to take the bus!


I have traveled both locally on buss's and nationally on buss's, and YESSSS it was inconvienient, so I went threw the trouble to get a DL and a vehicle and INS so I wouldn't be INCONVIENIENCED like that anymore

BOOOO HOOOO,

the fact is the people you describe are VERY VERY RARE, and ID's are not some NEW FANGLED THING that just popped up last week, they CHOSE as some point to say FUCK IT, now they have to deal with the CONSQUENSES of that desicion!

GET OVER IT!

I did not address my reply to you, I addressed it to DesideriScuri

Rant to someone else, dude..

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RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote - 8/15/2013 9:15:37 PM   
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RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote - 8/15/2013 10:03:10 PM   
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<boring ranting deleted>

Did you actually look at the form in question. They want the last 4 of your SS#. Want to bet they can index a last 4 to your legal name and determine if your really are a citizen?

Do you really think an entire state simply lets anyone vote with no precautions?


as a matter of a fact YES I DID,

Box 8 – Last Four Digits of Social Security Number
Required for registration unless you do not have a Social Security Number. (§115.155, RSMO, §115.158, RSMo.) If you do not have a
Social Security Number, leave blank.


And if you actually follow the references in the instructions to section 115 par 155 of the Revised Missouri statute you will find this:
quote:

3. Upon receipt by mail of a completed and signed voter registration application, a voter registration application forwarded by the division of motor vehicle and drivers licensing of the department of revenue pursuant to section 115.160, or a voter registration agency pursuant to section 115.162, the election authority shall, if satisfied that the applicant is entitled to register, transfer all data necessary for the registration records from the application to its registration system. Within seven business days after receiving the application, the election authority shall send the applicant a verification notice. If such notice is returned as undeliverable by the postal service within the time established by the election authority, the election authority shall not place the applicant's name on the voter registration file.

4. If, upon receipt by mail of a voter registration application or a voter registration application forwarded pursuant to section 115.160 or 115.162, the election authority determines that the applicant is not entitled to register, such authority shall, within seven business days after receiving the application, so notify the applicant by mail and state the reason such authority has determined the applicant is not qualified. The applicant may have such determination reviewed pursuant to the provisions of section 115.223. If an applicant for voter registration fails to answer the question on the application concerning United States citizenship, the election authority shall notify the applicant of the failure and provide the applicant with an opportunity to complete the form in a timely manner to allow for the completion of the registration form before the next election.

http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C100-199/1150000155.HTM
So just like I said at the beginning of this, the state is supposed to verify whether a person attempting to register to vote is a citizen. If you really think the only possible way to do that is requiring a citizen to present a picture ID every time they vote you are sorely mistaken.

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RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote - 8/16/2013 2:07:22 AM   
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<boring ranting deleted>

Did you actually look at the form in question. They want the last 4 of your SS#. Want to bet they can index a last 4 to your legal name and determine if your really are a citizen?

Do you really think an entire state simply lets anyone vote with no precautions?


as a matter of a fact YES I DID,

Box 8 – Last Four Digits of Social Security Number
Required for registration unless you do not have a Social Security Number. (§115.155, RSMO, §115.158, RSMo.) If you do not have a
Social Security Number, leave blank.


And if you actually follow the references in the instructions to section 115 par 155 of the Revised Missouri statute you will find this:
quote:

3. Upon receipt by mail of a completed and signed voter registration application, a voter registration application forwarded by the division of motor vehicle and drivers licensing of the department of revenue pursuant to section 115.160, or a voter registration agency pursuant to section 115.162, the election authority shall, if satisfied that the applicant is entitled to register, transfer all data necessary for the registration records from the application to its registration system. Within seven business days after receiving the application, the election authority shall send the applicant a verification notice. If such notice is returned as undeliverable by the postal service within the time established by the election authority, the election authority shall not place the applicant's name on the voter registration file.

4. If, upon receipt by mail of a voter registration application or a voter registration application forwarded pursuant to section 115.160 or 115.162, the election authority determines that the applicant is not entitled to register, such authority shall, within seven business days after receiving the application, so notify the applicant by mail and state the reason such authority has determined the applicant is not qualified. The applicant may have such determination reviewed pursuant to the provisions of section 115.223. If an applicant for voter registration fails to answer the question on the application concerning United States citizenship, the election authority shall notify the applicant of the failure and provide the applicant with an opportunity to complete the form in a timely manner to allow for the completion of the registration form before the next election.

http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C100-199/1150000155.HTM
So just like I said at the beginning of this, the state is supposed to verify whether a person attempting to register to vote is a citizen. If you really think the only possible way to do that is requiring a citizen to present a picture ID every time they vote you are sorely mistaken.



andddd where in all that did it say using a utility bill is reason for denial of the application?

I never said that was the ONLY way to do it, all I said was, in missouri the requirments are almost non existant, which the websites CLEARLY show!

now I'll be honest here, if I were a reviewer, and I saw an app for someone my age or younger, with no SS info, I'd probably find that suspicious and request more info....


but the FACT is at the law stands at the moment, the minimum requirment IS nothing more than a utility bill to both register and vote!

as for the SS info, I don't know what is said on NEW SS cards, but on my original SS card it stated clearly that NO ONE can REQUIRE you to use your SS number for identification!

soo unless you can show me where they CHANGED that law, I don't have to give me SS number for ANY reason other than employment for colection purposes!

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RE: Republicans Limiting The Vote - 8/16/2013 2:09:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Hundreds of miles?!?!? There are 266 License offices in NC, where at it's widest, it's 150 miles and 560 miles across. You would only have to go "hundred's of miles" if you were out of state. But, if you're out of state on voting day, you'd likely have already sent in an absentee ballot.

Going Thru Hell for an ID:
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    Starting January 1, 2014, the Division of Motor Vehicles will begin issuing no fee ID Cards to be used for voting. Proof of age, identity, North Carolina residence, and verification of voter registration will be required.


Maybe in the more arid and less populated states one may have to drive "hundreds of miles" to get to a DMV, but it's not likely.

that is what a discussion was on tv & that was the reasoning one of the dudes used, I don't know for sure if it was NC, and I certainly don't know the geography at any rate (since I will never be there or anywhere near).. but I expect distance to get id is a factor for some people.. if the only transportation is a bus and none are on the bus routes or to far or involve walking if they have physical limitations.. for some people a few miles can be too far, dude.. you are obviously a driver that has never had to take the bus!


I have traveled both locally on buss's and nationally on buss's, and YESSSS it was inconvienient, so I went threw the trouble to get a DL and a vehicle and INS so I wouldn't be INCONVIENIENCED like that anymore

BOOOO HOOOO,

the fact is the people you describe are VERY VERY RARE, and ID's are not some NEW FANGLED THING that just popped up last week, they CHOSE as some point to say FUCK IT, now they have to deal with the CONSQUENSES of that desicion!

GET OVER IT!

I did not address my reply to you, I addressed it to DesideriScuri

Rant to someone else, dude..



you posted on a PUBLIC FORUM, if this was a PRIVATE conversation then you should have taken it PRIVATE

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