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RE: Forced birthers reach for a new low - 8/14/2013 11:16:56 PM

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Are they donating to the hard core right to life groups?

During "The troubles" as they called it in Northern Ireland, know where a lot of the money came from that paid for weapons that were used to kill women and children?
The good old US of A.
Those people were aiding and abetting terrorists just like that part of the 45% who contribute to the militant RTL groups.

What Right-to-Life groups advocate murder and engage in armed insurrection? How big are they? What are their budgets? I'll join you in condemning them in the strongest possible terms, if you'll agree on dialing-back the wholesale slander of everyone who believes that abortion is wrong.

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Forced birth groups that advocate violence and/or armed insurrection:
Operation Rescue (See Cheryl Sullenger and Scott Roeder)
Army of God (These guys are responsible for quite a lot of death and mayhem already)

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RE: Forced birthers reach for a new low - 8/14/2013 11:20:43 PM

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Operation rescue, The Christian Identity Movement, Army of God, Prayer and Action News (publication), Montana Freemen, The Lambs of Christ

All of these groups have harbored "religious assassins".

I'm not familiar with them, nor what you mean exactly by "harbored". Do they advocate murder? Are they engaged in armed insurrection? How big are they? What are their budgets? Stop me if those questions sound familiar.

If you want to slander 45% of the U.S. population, back it up.

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RE: Forced birthers reach for a new low - 8/14/2013 11:21:55 PM

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You've never heard of Operation Rescue? come onnnnnn, which rock have you been under for 30 years?
They're the clinic protesters. they have also plastered Wanted Posters all over the place with doctors names, faces and personal info on them.

By harbored 'religious assassins, I mean that one or more of their membership was convicted of murder.

ETA. I'm not sure how big Operation Rescue is but in a 6 week period of 1991, 75,000 of them were arrested for civil disobedience and it's been growing.

That means it's a damn big group.

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RE: Forced birthers reach for a new low - 8/14/2013 11:24:28 PM

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Given that some people have blown a fuse and murdered abortion doctors, I'm amused that anybody would think that this was a "new low".

Slow news day? Dog steal your cookies?

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RE: Forced birthers reach for a new low - 8/14/2013 11:24:47 PM

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Operation rescue, The Christian Identity Movement, Army of God, Prayer and Action News (publication), Montana Freemen, The Lambs of Christ

All of these groups have harbored "religious assassins".

I'm not familiar with them, nor what you mean exactly by "harbored". Do they advocate murder? Are they engaged in armed insurrection? How big are they? What are their budgets? Stop me if those questions sound familiar.

If you want to slander 45% of the U.S. population, back it up.

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Operation Rescue employs Cheryl Sullenger convicted terrorist and supported Scott Roeder convicted terrorist.
Eric Rudolph was a member of Army of God and is not the only member convicted of forced birth terror attacks.

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RE: Forced birthers reach for a new low - 8/14/2013 11:50:33 PM

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Operation Rescue employs Cheryl Sullenger convicted terrorist and supported Scott Roeder convicted terrorist.
Eric Rudolph was a member of Army of God and is not the only member convicted of forced birth terror attacks.

Muslim extremists are slaughtering Christians and each other, burning churches and each other's mosques with joyful abandon. But we resist calling all Muslims murdering terrorists. Extremists on the Christian Right want to trash the Constitution and have even gained access to the corridors of power in their move to make America a "Christian country," but we resist labelling all Christians facist theocrats. And needless to say, I could go on.

If you and those who share your views can't see the point I'm making, all I can say is that you can plan on hearing it again.

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RE: Forced birthers reach for a new low - 8/15/2013 5:36:00 AM

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Operation Rescue employs Cheryl Sullenger convicted terrorist and supported Scott Roeder convicted terrorist.
Eric Rudolph was a member of Army of God and is not the only member convicted of forced birth terror attacks.

Muslim extremists are slaughtering Christians and each other, burning churches and each other's mosques with joyful abandon. But we resist calling all Muslims murdering terrorists. Extremists on the Christian Right want to trash the Constitution and have even gained access to the corridors of power in their move to make America a "Christian country," but we resist labelling all Christians facist theocrats. And needless to say, I could go on.

If you and those who share your views can't see the point I'm making, all I can say is that you can plan on hearing it again.

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You asked for forced birth groups that advocate violence and insurrection. You were given them. You then demanded to know what they had done. So yet more information was given to you. Now you come out with a non sequitur. I'll just take that as an admission that you were wrong when you claimed forced birth groups were not violent.

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RE: Forced birthers reach for a new low - 8/15/2013 5:40:21 AM

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Face it, Ken. Using the term "forced birther" was just a really lame way to put forth your argument.

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RE: Forced birthers reach for a new low - 8/15/2013 5:45:52 AM

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Death merchants have to try to drum up some way for people to hate the other side

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RE: Forced birthers reach for a new low - 8/15/2013 5:51:25 AM

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considering your views on women who have abortions...Highly ironic

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RE: Forced birthers reach for a new low - 8/15/2013 5:54:08 AM

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Death merchants

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RE: Forced birthers reach for a new low - 8/15/2013 5:54:53 AM

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Death merchants have to try to drum up some way for people to hate the other side

Like these guys begging for $.

http://www.operationrescue.org/donate/

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RE: Forced birthers reach for a new low - 8/15/2013 6:02:39 AM

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Face it, Ken. Using the term "forced birther" was just a really lame way to put forth your argument.

They wish to force women to give birth. It is a simple description of what they are. Far more descriptive that pro life or any of that nonsense. It also has the added benefit of getting certain other posters all riled up which is simply hilarious.

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RE: Forced birthers reach for a new low - 8/15/2013 6:13:57 AM

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They wish to force women to give birth. It is a simple description of what they are. Far more descriptive that pro life or any of that nonsense. It also has the added benefit of getting certain other posters all riled up which is simply hilarious.

It was still lame.

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RE: Forced birthers reach for a new low - 8/15/2013 6:34:17 AM

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Death merchants

I just figured the gloves were off. If we're doing "reality checks", have you ever heard how some of those public faces for this issue almost seem like they have blood dripping off their fangs?

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RE: Forced birthers reach for a new low - 8/15/2013 6:38:53 AM

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Death merchants

I just figured the gloves were off. If we're doing "reality checks", have you ever heard how some of those public faces for this issue almost seem like they have blood dripping off their fangs?

Like these guys? http://www.start.umd.edu/start/data_collections/tops/terrorist_organization_profile.asp?id=28

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RE: Forced birthers reach for a new low - 8/15/2013 6:40:03 AM

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So if someone in Afghanistan is only making and burying an IED, he isn't a bloodthirsty murdering terrorist because he hasn't succeeded yet?

Maybe you should change that to "hasn't attempted or contributed to the effort to kill someone"

Defending one's country from invaders is considered terrorism????who knew?

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RE: Forced birthers reach for a new low - 8/15/2013 7:15:10 AM

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So if someone in Afghanistan is only making and burying an IED, he isn't a bloodthirsty murdering terrorist because he hasn't succeeded yet?

Maybe you should change that to "hasn't attempted or contributed to the effort to kill someone"

Defending one's country from invaders is considered terrorism????who knew?

Most IEDs and terrorist attacks in Afghanistan are designed to kill their own countrymen.
I daresay that after we leave that forsaken place, they won't magically stop.

They'll keep growing poppies to raise money for weapons so they can continue to kill each other.

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RE: Forced birthers reach for a new low - 8/15/2013 8:06:46 AM

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Quite aside from the fact that most of the Taliban are Pakistanis rather than Afghans: they're no more "defending their country" than the fucking coalition.

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RE: Forced birthers reach for a new low - 8/15/2013 8:34:12 AM

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Not all of them but a damn sight more of them than in your post where you said.

"different in kind from referring to Muslims who haven't killed anybody as "bloodthirsty murdering terrorists". "

I think the analogy is good enough to hold. Ken refers to pro-lifers as "forced birthers," and slanders "forced birthers" as bloodthirsty murdering terrorists. What proportion of the 45% of Amercians who are pro-life aid and abet murder?

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But you see, semantics plays a role here. A birther is one who steadfastly maintains a right to be born but NOT a right to life...once one is. Too many wish for laws that would have the state compel women to bring all births to term. Funny how the 'conservatives' don't see far too much state control in that.

Because of those beliefs, violation of the laws of the land is not justified in threatening those who exercise other laws they seek to change. To take that on frees us from the traditional restraint in just how we choose to describe them.

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