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RE: Forced birthers reach for a new low - 8/16/2013 7:05:45 AM   
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Abortion is legal
murder isnt


Don't tell that to the people who are sympathetic to terrorists.

That would require the u.s. to define the word terrorist.

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RE: Forced birthers reach for a new low - 8/16/2013 7:07:53 AM   
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Abortion is legal
murder isnt


Don't tell that to the people who are sympathetic to terrorists.

That would require the u.s. to define the word terrorist.

Do you not own a dictionary? Look it up.

ETA. here, I'll help you with an example. http://www.start.umd.edu/start/data_collections/tops/terrorist_organization_profile.asp?id=28
Had you bothered to actually read the thread, you'd already know this.

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RE: Forced birthers reach for a new low - 8/16/2013 7:17:04 AM   
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"Most IEDs and terrorist attacks in Afghanistan are designed to kill their own countrymen."
According to the UN, the Taliban kills more civilians than coalition forces with IED's and the UN isn't exactly our friend seeing as who is on the security council. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2012/10/21/taliban-bombs-afghan-deaths/1647133/


The article does not say that the taliban ieds are designed to kill their countrymen...it says they are a byproduct of the use of self detonating ieds which the taliban denies using for the very reason of their lack of accurate targetability. While the article cites numers for the dead afghanis it only says that about half of the coalition force casualities are causec by ieds but gives no numbers.

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As for your second question, the US won't be around forever. Therefore, by definition, we must leave some time.

So when the u.s. ceases to exist we will leave afghanistan?

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RE: Forced birthers reach for a new low - 8/16/2013 7:23:54 AM   
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So when the u.s. ceases to exist we will leave afghanistan?

Please, reading comprehension before pure contrarianism. The latter tends to make people look irrational.

The fact that the US will not endure forever means that we must eventually leave Afg. on or before then.
Some people fail to have the understanding to know that "on or before x date" means it could happen 5 or fewer seconds from now or tomorrow or any time up to 'x date.'

Please educate yourself on the English language.

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RE: Forced birthers reach for a new low - 8/16/2013 7:25:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Abortion is legal
murder isnt


Don't tell that to the people who are sympathetic to terrorists.

That would require the u.s. to define the word terrorist.

Do you not own a dictionary? Look it up.

ETA. here, I'll help you with an example. http://www.start.umd.edu/start/data_collections/tops/terrorist_organization_profile.asp?id=28
Had you bothered to actually read the thread, you'd already know this.


Had you bothered to actually read what I posted you would have recognized that was not my point.
My point ws and is that if the u.s. govt acknowledges a definition of terrorism then how will the u.s. govt define itself out of the definition?

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RE: Forced birthers reach for a new low - 8/16/2013 7:32:37 AM   
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So when the u.s. ceases to exist we will leave afghanistan?

Please, reading comprehension before pure contrarianism. The latter tends to make people look irrational.

The fact that the US will not endure forever means that we must eventually leave Afg. on or before then.
Some people fail to have the understanding to know that "on or before x date" means it could happen 5 or fewer seconds from now or tomorrow or any time up to 'x date.'

Please educate yourself on the English language.


Please educate yourself on the original question.
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I daresay that after we leave that forsaken place, they won't magically stop.

What evidence is there that we will leave?


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RE: Forced birthers reach for a new low - 8/16/2013 7:36:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


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So when the u.s. ceases to exist we will leave afghanistan?

Please, reading comprehension before pure contrarianism. The latter tends to make people look irrational.

The fact that the US will not endure forever means that we must eventually leave Afg. on or before then.
Some people fail to have the understanding to know that "on or before x date" means it could happen 5 or fewer seconds from now or tomorrow or any time up to 'x date.'

Please educate yourself on the English language.


Please educate yourself on the original question.
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I daresay that after we leave that forsaken place, they won't magically stop.

What evidence is there that we will leave?



I did. If we don't exist at some time in the future, we cannot be there.
As we are there now and at some indeterminate date in the future we will not be there as shown above, we MUST at some time in the interim have........left.

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RE: Forced birthers reach for a new low - 8/16/2013 9:15:58 AM   
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You asked for forced birth groups that advocate violence and insurrection. You were given them. You then demanded to know what they had done. So yet more information was given to you. Now you come out with a non sequitur. I'll just take that as an admission that you were wrong when you claimed forced birth groups were not violent.

You're making shit up again. I asked what pro-life groups advocated murder and engaged in armed insurrection. Aside from flakes, I know of no group actively engaged in carrying out murders. The latest headline I could find involving The Army of God was from 1997. And I asked how big they were, what their budgets were. But you've posted nothing, let alone anything that would reflect support by nearly half the population of the United States. Which leads me to what I actually claimed, as opposed to the lie in your post, which was that slandering 45% of the American population as "bloodthirsty murdering terrorists" is hateful nonsense.

K.

Bullshit and more bullshit.

The Army of God is a terrorist organization so of course their budget isn't public knowledge.

As to their supposed disappearance after 1997:
http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2013/05/15/roeder-to-be-disciplined-for-threats-in-call-to-army-of-god-member/
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2002/winter/one-more-enemy
And just to rub it in, here is the groups website celebrating Scott Roeder's murder.
http://www.armyofgod.com/

Funny how a group that "vanished" after 1997 is celebrating a killing that occurred in 2009.

And no one claimed these scumbags were supported by half the population. That is your sick twisted attempt to smear people who oppose terrorists that you support.

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RE: Forced birthers reach for a new low - 8/16/2013 9:48:34 AM   
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Correct me if I misunderstand but isn't the pro life mindset that their imaginary friend does not approve and therefore everyone must abide by the decissions of their imaginary friend?

In some cases that is my understanding... but I think the core of the argument really hinges on "When is this a human?"

- each sperm and each egg are "potential humans"
- When a sperm and an egg come together it is a "human"
- When the fertilized egg implants it is a "human"
- When the now growing embryo reaches <insert stage of growth here> it is a human
- when the baby is birthed it is a human.

So depending on where you draw that line then this is either a "medical procedure" or "murder". Surely that is obvious?

Why? Do you lso wish to scru;tinize masturbation as it too is "at lest potential human ....???
Yes, I do because some people include that far end of the spectrum just as some people include the opposite extreme. The happy news here is that these are the very extreme positions and getting a majority vote for those positions is highly unlikely. In other words, if we could get the damned spin off this question we would analyze it in a full-spectrum way... draw the line somewhere (which we have)... and go. Of course "go" doesn't preclude ongoing discussion. But I do wish our "leaders" were a bit more savvy about that ongoing discussion. I see little point in bringing up a decision constantly and repetitively which allows little time for doing any other government business which might need to get done.

When Bush won via court decision I accepted that. The government needed to move forward and a long series of ongoing challenges seemed counter-productive. When ACA was signed into law I wish the Republicans would've just let it go for a few years, accepting the loss gracefully, and moved on to other issues while they strategized around "what do we do with health care from here?" But instead what we see is the same issues coming up over and over and over and over again because our elected leaders and our "voting adults" can't seem to deal with a loss as gracefully as a kindergarten student.

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RE: Forced birthers reach for a new low - 8/16/2013 10:43:53 AM   
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Bullshit and more bullshit...

Funny how a group that "vanished" after 1997 is celebrating a killing that occurred in 2009.

And no one claimed these scumbags were supported by half the population. That is your sick twisted attempt to smear people who oppose terrorists that you support.

My goodness you get cranky when you lose. And you're lying again, too. I've never supported any terrorist group. Nor have I ever said that you or anyone else had claimed that The Army of God was supported by half the population, or that the group "vanished" after 1997.

Did you bump your head on your rock getting up this morning?

K.

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RE: Forced birthers reach for a new low - 8/16/2013 11:18:46 AM   
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Bullshit and more bullshit...

Funny how a group that "vanished" after 1997 is celebrating a killing that occurred in 2009.

And no one claimed these scumbags were supported by half the population. That is your sick twisted attempt to smear people who oppose terrorists that you support.

My goodness you get cranky when you lose. And you're lying again, too. I've never supported any terrorist group. Nor have I ever said that you or anyone else had claimed that The Army of God was supported by half the population, or that the group "vanished" after 1997.

Did you bump your head on your rock getting up this morning?

K.

No headlines but they're still active and generating money and support for convicted terrorists.

ETA: I guess it would freaking help if I'd show a source. http://www.armyofgod.com/POClist.html

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RE: Forced birthers reach for a new low - 8/16/2013 12:34:00 PM   
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No headlines but they're still active and generating money and support for convicted terrorists.

Fine. But I'm still not buying a claim that that makes every pro-life American a "bloodthirsty murdering terrorist".

K.

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RE: Forced birthers reach for a new low - 8/16/2013 12:39:49 PM   
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No headlines but they're still active and generating money and support for convicted terrorists.

Fine. But I'm still not buying a claim that that makes every pro-life American a "bloodthirsty murdering terrorist".

K.

I never claimed that all of them were terrorists.

My claim was that some of them are and a lot of the rest of them are secretly whispering "Go dude Go".

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RE: Forced birthers reach for a new low - 8/16/2013 12:43:24 PM   
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In some cases that is my understanding... but I think the core of the argument really hinges on "When is this a human?"

Actually no: that's a gloss the anti choicers use to try to bolster their argument, by making it look less arbitrary, irrational and misogynistic.

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RE: Forced birthers reach for a new low - 8/16/2013 12:51:41 PM   
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In some cases that is my understanding... but I think the core of the argument really hinges on "When is this a human?"

Actually no: that's a gloss the anti choicers use to try to bolster their argument, by making it look less arbitrary, irrational and misogynistic.

According to conservapedia.com, the soul enters at the moment of conception. they even have a little picture.
http://www.conservapedia.com/Human_reproduction

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RE: Forced birthers reach for a new low - 8/16/2013 1:01:17 PM   
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RE: Forced birthers reach for a new low - 8/16/2013 1:15:22 PM   
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Bullshit and more bullshit...

Funny how a group that "vanished" after 1997 is celebrating a killing that occurred in 2009.

And no one claimed these scumbags were supported by half the population. That is your sick twisted attempt to smear people who oppose terrorists that you support.

My goodness you get cranky when you lose. And you're lying again, too. I've never supported any terrorist group. Nor have I ever said that you or anyone else had claimed that The Army of God was supported by half the population, or that the group "vanished" after 1997.

Did you bump your head on your rock getting up this morning?

K.

Really are you sure?

Then someone has hacked your account and is posting as you.
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The latest headline I could find involving The Army of God was from 1997

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45% of the American population

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RE: Forced birthers reach for a new low - 8/16/2013 1:21:17 PM   
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According to conservapedia.com, the soul enters at the moment of conception. they even have a little picture.
http://www.conservapedia.com/Human_reproduction

Ok, but what does that mean? Seriously, I'm sure I could go troll around a few "lefty" sites and find totally embarrassing statements too. The question is two-fold in my mind?

A) What do the rank & file conservatives think?
B) What to their leaders think?

Seldom are those two things aligned for either conservatives or liberals. Typically the parties seem much more polarized and divisive than the rank & file.

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RE: Forced birthers reach for a new low - 8/16/2013 1:39:43 PM   
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Really are you sure?

Yes I'm very sure...

See if this helps.

K.

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RE: Forced birthers reach for a new low - 8/16/2013 2:11:52 PM   
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Really are you sure?

Yes I'm very sure...

See if this helps.

K.

Then why did you claim this:
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The latest headline I could find involving The Army of God was from 1997

It's particularly obvious a pathetic lie when someone looks at this link
https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&tab=nn#bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=8b1fab3800bb454e&hl=en&q=army+of+god
That's a lot of information and not a few headlines about them since 1997.

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