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Hillary or Rand


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Rand
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Stay home
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Hillary or Rand - 8/15/2013 7:50:54 AM   
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RE: Hillary or Rand - 8/15/2013 8:29:37 AM   
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RE: Hillary or Rand - 8/15/2013 9:13:37 AM   
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I heard a Rand Paul interview on NPR. He would have been right at home in a collarchat P&R thread.

There are several right wing regulars who are smarter and think more deeply.

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RE: Hillary or Rand - 8/15/2013 10:42:53 AM   
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I heard a Rand Paul interview on NPR. He would have been right at home in a collarchat P&R thread.

There are several right wing regulars who are smarter and think more deeply.

Agreed, Rand Paul is hardly my first choice, insanity tends to run in the family.
Hillary would be an upgrade from Obama

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RE: Hillary or Rand - 8/15/2013 11:07:39 AM   
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RE: Hillary or Rand - 8/15/2013 11:16:25 AM   
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Getting a grasp of the 2016.

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RE: Hillary or Rand - 8/15/2013 12:35:34 PM   
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Getting a grasp of the 2016.

In alphabetical order.

Why nobody worthwhile

At this point it looks like this
Democrats:
Hilary Clinton
Joe Biden

Republicans
Rand Paul
Ted Cruz
Marco Rubio
Rick Perry
Rick Santorum
Chris Christie
Paul Ryan
Scott Walker

I assume some longshots will join both races. I do have to say the Republican crowd is not terribly inspiring.

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RE: Hillary or Rand - 8/15/2013 12:38:26 PM   
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He touched a Democrat and liked it.

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RE: Hillary or Rand - 8/15/2013 12:55:40 PM   
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Christie looks like the pick of the litter so far but there's no way the RNC will allow him to get the nomination.
He touched a Democrat and liked it.

Sadly that does appear to be the situation. He's the sort of ruthless pragmatist who would probably make a good President just like he is doing a good job as Governor of New Jersey.

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RE: Hillary or Rand - 8/15/2013 3:18:30 PM   
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At this point it looks like this
Democrats:
Hilary Clinton
Joe Biden

Republicans
Rand Paul
Ted Cruz
Marco Rubio
Rick Perry
Rick Santorum
Chris Christie
Paul Ryan
Scott Walker



Wasn't this the cast of a movie a few years back? I believe the title was "The Usual Suspects".

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RE: Hillary or Rand - 8/15/2013 3:25:25 PM   
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quote:



At this point it looks like this
Democrats:
Hilary Clinton
Joe Biden

Republicans
Rand Paul
Ted Cruz
Marco Rubio
Rick Perry
Rick Santorum
Chris Christie
Paul Ryan
Scott Walker



Wasn't this the cast of a movie a few years back? I believe the title was "The Usual Suspects".


Ted Cruz can not be president, he was born in Canada. The Right wing have attempted again and again to prove Obama was born in Ethiopia but failed. They claim he can not be president because he was born in a foreign country. But I do admit they are try to work about Cruz being born in Canada, also Cruz father is a Cuban National, a country the US does not recognize. It will be Hilary, the Tea Party will really freak out when that happens.

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RE: Hillary or Rand - 8/15/2013 3:31:24 PM   
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Ted Cruz can not be president, he was born in Canada. The Right wing have attempted again and again to prove Obama was born in Ethiopia but failed. They claim he can not be president because he was born in a foreign country. But I do admit they are try to work about Cruz being born in Canada, also Cruz father is a Cuban National, a country the US does not recognize. It will be Hilary, the Tea Party will really freak out when that happens.

"Cruz' mother was born and raised in Delaware, in a family of Irish and Italian descent.[12][18] She was the first person in her family to attend college. She earned a degree in mathematics from Rice University in Houston in the 1950s, working summers at Foley’s and Shell.[19] Cruz has said, "I'm Cuban, Irish, and Italian, and yet somehow I ended up Southern Baptist."[20]"

For the same reason it doesn't matter where the hell Obama was born, it doesn't matter where Cruz (or the elder Romney or McCain) was born.

At least one parent is a citizen, if you pass the requisite residency requirements, you are a citizen by birth.


GREAT. Now we have Dems who are gonna be Birthers.

ETA the TEA party can't freak out. They're already a bunch of fucking freaks.

< Message edited by Hillwilliam -- 8/15/2013 3:32:29 PM >

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RE: Hillary or Rand - 8/15/2013 4:18:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Getting a grasp of the 2016.

In alphabetical order.

Why nobody worthwhile

At this point it looks like this
Democrats:
Hilary Clinton
Joe Biden

Republicans
Rand Paul
Ted Cruz
Marco Rubio
Rick Perry
Rick Santorum
Chris Christie
Paul Ryan
Scott Walker

I assume some longshots will join both races. I do have to say the Republican crowd is not terribly inspiring.

And the Democrats are down right scary.

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RE: Hillary or Rand - 8/15/2013 4:32:19 PM   
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RE: Hillary or Rand - 8/15/2013 5:37:43 PM   
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RE: Hillary or Rand - 8/15/2013 6:45:33 PM   
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At this point it looks like this
Democrats:
Hilary Clinton
Joe Biden

Republicans
Rand Paul
Ted Cruz
Marco Rubio
Rick Perry
Rick Santorum
Chris Christie
Paul Ryan
Scott Walker



Wasn't this the cast of a movie a few years back? I believe the title was "The Usual Suspects".


Ted Cruz can not be president, he was born in Canada. The Right wing have attempted again and again to prove Obama was born in Ethiopia but failed. They claim he can not be president because he was born in a foreign country. But I do admit they are try to work about Cruz being born in Canada, also Cruz father is a Cuban National, a country the US does not recognize. It will be Hilary, the Tea Party will really freak out when that happens.

Courts have already said Cruz is eligible


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RE: Hillary or Rand - 8/15/2013 6:55:03 PM   
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So while it's a hold my nose vote, it's the most essential vote of my lifetime.

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RE: Hillary or Rand - 8/15/2013 7:17:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		This may be very difficult for alleged liberals with no core values, Obamabots, and the foreign cheerleading squad to wrap their wee minds around, but I have one of the same problems with Rand Paul that I had with the original Obama campaign. Rand is a first-term Senator without any executive experience. I'd be happy to see him beneath a good Republican governor on the ticket.

Should the election come down to these two, I think Hillary would be an awful President, and would cast my vote and support accordingly.

After all, one lasting accomplishment that can never be questioned for President Obama, is how far he lowered the bar for who can President of the United States.

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RE: Hillary or Rand - 8/15/2013 7:40:25 PM   
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After all, one lasting accomplishment that can never be questioned for President Obama, is how far he lowered the bar for who can President of the United States.




I t is certainly questionable Rich.....LOL by anyone not of your opinion.

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RE: Hillary or Rand - 8/15/2013 7:41:14 PM   
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How long will it take for people to realize that 99 out of 100 politicians are a bunch of untrustworthy bums that are in the hip pockets of big business?? Republican or Democrat, they don't give a rat's ass about anyone but themselves, or their party. They clearly don't give a shit about the general public! I'm convinced that most of them are either sociopaths or outright psychopaths (look up either term in Wikipedia, and you'll see how well the descriptions fit most politicians).

And sociopathy and psychopathy aren't limited to the halls of Congress; IMO many/most CEOs in the Fortune 500 are psychopaths or sociopaths as well. Read up a little on Mark Zuckerberg of FaceBook, who is a poster child for psychopathy. And read some more about amoral creeps like Jamie Dimon, who now run all of the big Wall Street banks. It's far easier to become filthy rich and ultra powerful, when you don't have any morals or ethics to get in the way of accomplishing whatever callous self-serving goals you aspire to. About 4-5% of the human population, worldwide, is either sociopathic or psychopathic at birth. Their defective genes don't allow them to possess either empathy or sympathy. They're a waste of oxygen. They're the 5% of the population that causes 95% of society's ills.

Personally, I don't trust ANY politician of ANY political stripe at this point in my life. By getting us all arguing back and forth over "my candidate's an angel and yours is Satan incarnate," they ensure that nothing meaningful ever gets done. And. that we don't hold their feet to the fire and hold them accountable. Meanwhile, they become multi-millionaires on the graft that they collect and by using the inside stock market knowledge that they freely access. 60 Minutes did a nice piece on the stock market knowledge, not that long ago. There's plenty of blame to go around in ever GD direction.

It's so bad now that this once-great country is pretty much a lost cause, short of a second American Revolution. I'd love to be there and watch the guillotines being rolled into D.C. and Wall Street. It wouldn't even dampen my eyes to see their miserable amoral lives terminated with extreme prejudice.

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