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Politesub53 -> RE: Freaking out over a clown??? (8/18/2013 3:44:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

spelling nazi too?

BRIT but then it seems to me I read british means something to do with hebrew, havent verified that one yet though


More asswipe from you. Now doubt you will find some nutcase post on a nutcase blog to back up your claim.




dcnovice -> RE: Freaking out over a clown??? (8/18/2013 3:56:06 PM)

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Are we going to prevent clowns from using "whiteface" from now on, too?

I've seen lots of clowns in neutral white makeup with nary a raised eyebrow.

But that strikes me as different from "whiteface." To parallel "blackface," the term would mean making oneself look specifically like a white and entertaining the audience by reinforcing racial stereotypes.




Kirata -> RE: Freaking out over a clown??? (8/18/2013 4:31:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

I had one idiot tell me Homophobia shouldnt be a word, you have to ask why, dont you ?

That would probably be me. I'm guessing, but you routinely call me an idiot, and I did mention once that I've never in my entire life met anyone who suffered from an uncontrollable fear of gays, not to mention that the way some people use the word would require them to be mind-readers.

Of course, on second thought, I guess maybe you must have someone else in mind. Because otherwise you'd just be making shit up to claim somebody told you that homophobia shouldn't be a word. You'd never do anything like that, right? You're always so thoughtful about what you say.

K.




Real0ne -> RE: Freaking out over a clown??? (8/18/2013 4:46:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

More asswipe from you. Now doubt you will find some nutcase post on a nutcase blog to back up your claim.




it was either google books or google scholar, but its certainly not worth my time to look up and research, but like so many other times if by happenstance I run across it again you will see a post out of the blue on it.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Freaking out over a clown??? (8/18/2013 4:51:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

But that strikes me as different from "whiteface." To parallel "blackface," the term would mean making oneself look specifically like a white and entertaining the audience by reinforcing racial stereotypes.


Oh! You mean kind of like: this




FatDomDaddy -> RE: Freaking out over a clown??? (8/18/2013 4:53:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice



Both Republicans and Democrats alike in Missouri expressed outrage, and some questioned whether to continue state funding for the state fair.




But why???

The internet has been filled with rodeo clowns wearing president masks... in fact, presidential masks have been a hallmark of clowndom and pantomime for decades so the question needs to be asked... Why is mocking President Obama so outrageous? Why should Mr. Obama's presidency be off limits to such antics and mockery?

Because he's a Black man?

I mean wouldn't that be the worst kind of condescending?




dcnovice -> RE: Freaking out over a clown??? (8/18/2013 5:01:49 PM)

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Oh! You mean kind of like: this

Haven't seen that one, but it sounds like it could be a candidate for "whiteface."




pahunkboy -> RE: Freaking out over a clown??? (8/18/2013 5:03:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice



Both Republicans and Democrats alike in Missouri expressed outrage, and some questioned whether to continue state funding for the state fair.




But why???

The internet has been filled with rodeo clowns wearing president masks... in fact, presidential masks have been a hallmark of clowndom and pantomime for decades so the quest needs to be asked... Why is mocking President Obama so outrageous? Why should Mr. Obama's presidency be off limits to such antics and mockery?

Because he's a Black man?

I mean wouldn't that be the worst kind of condescending?



It is condescending, and in a pathetic way. People who are in the public eye are fair game for mockery.




Yachtie -> RE: Freaking out over a clown??? (8/18/2013 5:08:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

But that strikes me as different from "whiteface." To parallel "blackface," the term would mean making oneself look specifically like a white and entertaining the audience by reinforcing racial stereotypes.


Oh! You mean kind of like: this



[sm=rofl.gif] Hysterical [8D]




Politesub53 -> RE: Freaking out over a clown??? (8/18/2013 5:13:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

I had one idiot tell me Homophobia shouldnt be a word, you have to ask why, dont you ?

That would probably be me. I'm guessing, but you routinely call me an idiot, and I did mention once that I've never in my entire life met anyone who suffered from an uncontrollable fear of gays, not to mention that the way some people use the word would require them to be mind-readers.

Of course, on second thought, I guess maybe you must have someone else in mind. Because otherwise you'd just be making shit up to claim somebody told you that homophobia shouldn't be a word. You'd never do anything like that, right? You're always so thoughtful about what you say.

K.


You are so transparent, your meaning was clear enough and you dont like getting pulled on it. You didnt like the word racist, or Islamophobia, so you tried to use the word homophobia s some sort of evidence. That bollocks wont wash. I am sure you are smart enough to know the meaning of all three words, as well as the context I use them in.

If anyone dislikes me using the words such as racist or Islamophobia the solution is simple, cut the racist remarks. Its not rocket science is it.




Politesub53 -> RE: Freaking out over a clown??? (8/18/2013 5:15:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

More asswipe from you. Now doubt you will find some nutcase post on a nutcase blog to back up your claim.




it was either google books or google scholar, but its certainly not worth my time to look up and research, but like so many other times if by happenstance I run across it again you will see a post out of the blue on it.


Good point, dont waste your time looking up something thats bullshit, since it dont exist. I will give you half a clue though........ A group of Islands.




tazzygirl -> RE: Freaking out over a clown??? (8/18/2013 5:17:44 PM)

For those wishing to make a comparison... and being google-search resistant....

http://articles.philly.com/1994-08-19/news/25842089_1_bullfighting-clowns-rodeo-arena-clown-smile




Real0ne -> RE: Freaking out over a clown??? (8/18/2013 5:21:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

More asswipe from you. Now doubt you will find some nutcase post on a nutcase blog to back up your claim.




it was either google books or google scholar, but its certainly not worth my time to look up and research, but like so many other times if by happenstance I run across it again you will see a post out of the blue on it.


Good point, dont waste your time looking up something thats bullshit, since it dont exist. I will give you half a clue though........ A group of Islands.




if I had a nickel for how many times you said that and wound up with brown face I would have retired 20 years ago. So stop with the bullshit already, and no if you think it originates from brittanny if that is what you are referring to you are wrong right out of the chute




njlauren -> RE: Freaking out over a clown??? (8/18/2013 5:23:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Do people have the right to be racists to any extent, in your opinion?

They have the right to be racist and others have the right not to do business with racists which is what is happening here.
No one was arrested they are just losing income because they did a truly disgusting and repugnant thing. Do not forget the economic backlash against the Dixie Chicks by the same cons now going apoplectic for simply saying they were ashamed W was from Texas.


What was so disgusting and repugnant?

As I responded to Moonhead in Post #16:
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    I completely agree that they have the responsibility (not sure that's the right word, maybe others have the right to hold them accoutable might be a better way to state it? whatever... I'm sure we're in agreement on it) to be held accountable for their speech and actions. How was this racist, though? Is it unusual for a rodeo clown to portray a President? Kirata showed that this isn't the first time that's happened.


I completely agree that we need to be held accountable for our actions and out utterances. I'm not seeing racism in this action, though. That's where I'm really having an issue with this whole mess.

Are we going to prevent clowns from using "whiteface" from now on, too? No more masks of people... ever?



I don't usually agree with Desideri, but in this case I am with him, I think it is idiotic to say this is racist, from what I can tell of the picture of the clown there is nothing racist about it,there isn't any of the usual racist images like a black person being associated with primates (like carrying a banana) or images that look like steppin fetchit.....and I don't see that here.

Is it derogatory of Obama? It is probably meant to be humor at his expense, seeing a clown dressed as Obama running from a bull, but it is derogatory of him in his position as president, not his race. If they had him dressed in arab style costume, or had him carrying a Q'ran or something, that would be an issue, but this is simply showing through physical humor disrespect, which is an old, old tradition. I have the laugh when I hear about the dignity of the president and such, read about what Jefferson used to routinely write about Washington (when he was in his Cabinet!) and John Adams, and read about 19th century politics where political opponents of Cleveland at rallies would bleat "where's my daaaa-dy" reinforces a vicious rumor Cleveland had fathered a bastard.




Politesub53 -> RE: Freaking out over a clown??? (8/18/2013 5:29:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

if I had a nickel for how many times you said that and wound up with brown face I would have retired 20 years ago. So stop with the bullshit already, and no if you think it originates from brittanny if that is what you are referring to you are wrong right out of the chute


Lmao @ "Brittanny".... yep, that shows you know what you are on about


I gave you a clue already brains, aint one enough.




njlauren -> RE: Freaking out over a clown??? (8/18/2013 5:33:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata

quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

I had one idiot tell me Homophobia shouldnt be a word, you have to ask why, dont you ?

That would probably be me. I'm guessing, but you routinely call me an idiot, and I did mention once that I've never in my entire life met anyone who suffered from an uncontrollable fear of gays, not to mention that the way some people use the word would require them to be mind-readers.

Of course, on second thought, I guess maybe you must have someone else in mind. Because otherwise you'd just be making shit up to claim somebody told you that homophobia shouldn't be a word. You'd never do anything like that, right? You're always so thoughtful about what you say.

K.


Kirata-
you don't have to meet someone, all you have to do is look around and look at the length that anti gays go to when they talk about gays, the amount of anger and viciousness that is leveled at them. Put it this way, when gays are compared to pedophile or people having sex with animals simply because they are gay, when you hear the rantings of preachers saying gays should be put in concentration camps, you don't think that is someone with an uncontrollable fear of gays? Or those who response to someone they think is gay is the beat them up or kill them? The rhetoric against gays is often over the top, with people making up all kinds of 'facts' to show that what they feel is true...and btw, almost every study done of people labelled homophobic has shown that many of them have unresolved issues with attraction to same sex partners, and their hate and anger is often their own fear of maybe they are gay.




Real0ne -> RE: Freaking out over a clown??? (8/18/2013 5:35:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: njlauren

I don't usually agree with Desideri, but in this case I am with him, I think it is idiotic to say this is racist, from what I can tell of the picture of the clown there is nothing racist about it,there isn't any of the usual racist images like a black person being associated with primates (like carrying a banana) or images that look like steppin fetchit.....and I don't see that here.

Is it derogatory of Obama? It is probably meant to be humor at his expense, seeing a clown dressed as Obama running from a bull, but it is derogatory of him in his position as president, not his race. If they had him dressed in arab style costume, or had him carrying a Q'ran or something, that would be an issue, but this is simply showing through physical humor disrespect, which is an old, old tradition. I have the laugh when I hear about the dignity of the president and such, read about what Jefferson used to routinely write about Washington (when he was in his Cabinet!) and John Adams, and read about 19th century politics where political opponents of Cleveland at rallies would bleat "where's my daaaa-dy" reinforces a vicious rumor Cleveland had fathered a bastard.



they are of course taking us down and already well trodden path ya think?




Show Trials and Purges, 1936-38

In the place of questions from an independent press and comments from liberal editors and journalists, there were pronouncements about the fault of dissidents like Zinoviev having encouraged the likes of Nikolayev and the Zinovievite co-conspirators. Their opinions, it was claimed, encouraged the radical dissidents like the Zinovievites and all of the enemies of the revolution. For their role in having encouraged the conspirators, the Communists supporting Stalin now moved against two more of their old comrades: Zinoviev and his old partner in opposition to Stalin, Kamenev. Zinoviev was sentenced to ten years in prison, and Kamenev to five.

Meanwhile, alongside the new drive against enemies of the revolution, the contrary move toward liberalism that had existed within the Communist Party before Kirov's assassination continued in the form of a new Soviet Constitution. It would be a contradiction that the Stalinists would easily resolve in favor of the drive against enemies.

The new constitution was written largely by Bukharin and was to take effect in 1936. The government was to be divided into two legislative bodies: the Soviet of the Union and the Soviet of Nationalities. The Constitution guaranteed freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of the press and freedom of religious worship. The Constitution guaranteed the inviolability of individuals, their home and the privacy of their correspondence. According to the Constitution, any of the republics could choose to secede from the Union of Socialist Soviet Republics. And according to the Constitution, the exploiting classes had been defeated, the class war was at an end, and the working class and those on the collective farms, and the intelligencia, and the vanguard of working people were all working together to build a new socialist society.

Stalin was hardly a supporter of such liberality, but he could not very easily do away with the new constitution. Instead, he made a show of supporting it, presenting it as a gift from the Communist Party. The Party press was touting the new constitution. Meanwhile, through 1935 to mid-1936 hundreds of arrests were made. A law was passed that lowered the age of criminal responsibility. A new article was added to the Criminal Code – Article 58 – which defined new offenses that were counter-revolutionary and stated that persons who fled abroad could be executed and families of defectors imprisoned or exiled.

With Stalin pursuing class conflict, he had reason for more fear from dissidents within the Party, and the government passed a law that denied Party members the right to carry guns. Party members did not react to the law, but some of them must have been disturbed by Stalin's moves against so-called enemies. A vicious circle was spiraling toward a purification campaign not unlike the terror during the French Revolution. Stalin would now move against the rank and file opposition that had long festered among Leningrad Party members since Zinoviev's split with Stalin some years before. To eliminate a breeding ground for what he saw as mistaken ideas and weaknesses, Stalin would order thousands of Bolsheviks and their families deported to northern Siberia.
Trotsky as Arch-Villain and Darkness at Noon

Now in Norway, Trotsky was announcing to the world that political prisoners in the Soviet Union were being harshly treated, and among Stalin's supporters Trotsky remained enemy number one alongside fascism. The Bolshevik press, which had once claimed Trotsky as their hero, was now demonizing him. In August 1936, the Soviet regime accused Trotsky of conspiring with fascists in a counter revolutionary plot against the Soviet Union, and the Party newspaper, Pravda, announced that German secret police were involved in the plot. Trotsky was now to be portrayed not as a Left deviationist as before, but, having been demonized, he could be portrayed as having surrendered all his scruples and become a Rightist.

That same month, the first of the big show trials in the Soviet Union took place. Sixteen were to be tried. The two leading defendants were the already imprisoned Zinoviev and Kamenev. Before the trial they had been worked on by the NKVD, and Stalin was kept informed. When an official told Stalin that Kamenev could not be broken, Stalin became enraged and told the official not to come back with a report until he had a confession from Kamenev.

The court charged the defendants with complicity in the murder of Kirov and of plotting to kill Stalin. The trial lasted five days. No material evidence was presented, and the Soviet Union's Supreme Court asked for none. The defendants confessed their guilt, Zinoviev saying that because of his having been seduced by Trotskyism he had gone all the way to fascism. Decades later, some people were to believe that the defendants may have confessed to save their families, or that they may have confessed believing that this would spare their lives. Some others were to believe that the defendants had been convinced that the charade was for the good of the Party – as described in Arthur Koestler's novel, Darkness at Noon.

Half way through the trial, Stalin went to the home of an old friend and former politburo member, Tomsky, with a bottle of wine. Tomsky, with Bukharin and Rykov, was facing a charge of treasonable complicity with Zinoviev. Tomsky ordered him out, and Stalin left, shaking with anger. Moments later a shot rang out. Tomsky, the good Bolshevik that he was, was opposed to individual terror. He had chosen to kill himself with his pistol rather than to kill Stalin.

The prosecutor, Vishinsky closed his speech for the prosecution saying, "I demand that these mad dogs be shot, every last one of them." On August 25, 1936, Zinoviev, Kamenev and the fourteen others were shot. And Trotsky was sentenced






popeye1250 -> RE: Freaking out over a clown??? (8/18/2013 5:53:52 PM)

I seem to remember a lot of Bush masks and even Clinton masks a few years back.
It looks like the lefties can't stand anyone picking on their short bus president.
If you want to dish it out you have to be able to take it.
As an aside that rodeo clown probably has a very good lawsuit.
And that Lt. governor is an idiot and this will probably finish him in politics.




pahunkboy -> RE: Freaking out over a clown??? (8/18/2013 6:17:23 PM)

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I seem to remember a lot of Bush masks and even Clinton masks a few years back.


You are correct, Sir!




OrionTheWolf -> RE: Freaking out over a clown??? (8/18/2013 6:59:44 PM)

~FR~

I read the article twice and I am having an issue finding what the clown did that was racist. Did I miss something?




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