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For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/20/2013 4:33:44 PM   
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http://freakoutnation.com/2013/08/20/az-minuteman-points-ar-15-rifle-at-sheriffs-deputy-wont-put-weapon-down-because-he-knows-stuff/

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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/20/2013 4:41:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		So, someone claims syg, also aimed his gun at a cop.

This should make a few heads spin in here.

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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/20/2013 5:04:14 PM   
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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/20/2013 5:26:40 PM   
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Another one.....


http://freakoutnation.com/2013/08/20/az-minuteman-points-ar-15-rifle-at-sheriffs-deputy-wont-put-weapon-down-because-he-knows-stuff/


As I mentioned in another thread, this sounds like an episode of The Three Stooges vs. The Keystone Kops.

Or maybe Barney Fife vs. The Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight.


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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/20/2013 6:08:04 PM   
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What the fuck has this to do with dumbass Zimmy?



Well it mentioned SYG and at there are a lot of people who seem to think that the zimmy case did too, but other than that I have no clue.

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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/20/2013 7:08:09 PM   
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What the fuck has this to do with dumbass Zimmy?



Well it mentioned SYG and at there are a lot of people who seem to think that the zimmy case did too, but other than that I have no clue.

The title says it all.
Some people think they can grab any ridiculous situation, pretend it is related to Zimmerman, pretend that it proves something about syg and those who defended Zimmerman will be forced to defend the indefensible. Thus they think they will retroactively win Zimmerman.
They do not understand that if SYG is not granted it proves, not how horrible it is, but that it works.

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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/21/2013 11:38:56 AM   
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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/21/2013 11:41:30 AM   
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What the fuck has this to do with dumbass Zimmy?



In spite of the off-handed remark in the report about SYG (which these terrorizers never actually claimed, so far as I can see). The two incidents are related by way of rouge vigilante ersatz 'law enforcement,' which in Zimmerman's case he ignored the fact that he knew full well that lawfully established LE were on the way, and in the instance cited above, the gun-pointers were oblivious to the LE right there in front of them, even after the latter having established identity and bonafides to a more than reasonable degree.

It's not about guns, not about SYG, etc.

The issue is about the disturbing increase in vigilante self-arrogated 'law enforcement' as fount for innate aggression among the mentally unstable.





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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/21/2013 12:09:01 PM   
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What the fuck has this to do with dumbass Zimmy?



In spite of the off-handed remark in the report about SYG (which these terrorizers never actually claimed, so far as I can see), the two incidents are related by way of rouge vigilante ersatz 'law enforcement,' which in Zimmerman's case he ignored the fact that he knew full well that lawfully established LE were on the way, and in the instance cited above, the gun-pointers were oblivious to the LE right there in front of them, even after the latter having established identity and bonafides to a more than reasonable degree.

It's not about guns, not about SYG, etc.

The issue is about the disturbing increase in vigilante self-arrogated 'law enforcement' as fount for innate aggression among the mentally unstable.





And so, in your opinion Zimmerman was require to lay there and let Martin beat him till the cops arrived?

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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/21/2013 12:11:10 PM   
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As I mentioned in another thread, this sounds like an episode of The Three Stooges vs. The Keystone Kops.

Or maybe Barney Fife vs. The Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight.





LOL Good one!


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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/21/2013 12:16:02 PM   
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And so, in your opinion Zimmerman was require to lay there and let Martin beat him till the cops arrived?



And so, in your opinion, Zimmerman was 'required' to ignore the police dispatcher and not stay in his truck, (and that with full awareness that bonafide LE were on the way) but rather pursue in a venture for which he was neither professionally qualified nor legally empowered?

Who forced, or 'required' him to do that?







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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/21/2013 12:20:05 PM   
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And so, in your opinion, Zimmerman was 'required' to ignore the police dispatcher and not stay in his truck, (and that with full awareness that bonafide LE were on the way) but rather pursue in a venture for which he was neither qualified nor legally empowered?

Who forced, or 'required' him to do that?

Don't want to turn this into a Zimmerman thread but he was on his way back to the truck when attacked, he was already out of his truck when advised not to follow. Did you even pay attention to the trial ?

And the bottom line is Martin and not Zimmerman initiated the violence.

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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/21/2013 12:27:15 PM   
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Don't want to turn this into a Zimmerman thread but he was on his way back to the truck when attacked, he was already out of his truck when advised not to follow. Did you even pay attention to the trial ?

And the bottom line is Martin and not Zimmerman initiated the violence.


The bottom line and irrefutable fact is that the actions and ignorance-of-reality disastrously poor decisions by a mentally unstable person with a gun were the sole cause of any confrontation in the first place.




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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/21/2013 12:53:55 PM   
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Don't want to turn this into a Zimmerman thread but he was on his way back to the truck when attacked, he was already out of his truck when advised not to follow. Did you even pay attention to the trial ?

And the bottom line is Martin and not Zimmerman initiated the violence.


The bottom line and irrefutable fact is that the actions and ignorance-of-reality disastrously poor decisions by a mentally unstable person with a gun were the sole cause of any confrontation in the first place.




And yet the jury agreed with me.
The true bottom line.
Next you will try to prove that the south won.

PS
check my first post, you just proved I was right.

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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/21/2013 1:04:55 PM   
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The jury said nothing of the sort. They rendered that it was not intentional murder, for which he was charged, nothing more. They were not asked, and so did not render, any opinion on the mental instability of the aggressor. Nor were they charged with ascertaining how the whole thing started to begin with. And they most certainly did not agree with you that Martin was the instigator, in any fashion.

You only proved yourself right, just as Zimmerman did ex post with himself. Don't put that crap on either the jury or me.




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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/21/2013 1:08:33 PM   
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The jury said nothing of the sort. They rendered that it was not intentional murder, for which he was charged, nothing more. They were not asked, and so did not render, any opinion on the mental instability of the aggressor. And they most certainly did not agree with you that Martin was the instigator, in any fashion.

You proved yourself right, just as Zimmerman did. Don't put that crap on either the jury or me.

Not guilty of murder by reason of self defense.
He could not have defended himself if he were not attacked.
Had there been proof , even evidence that Zimmerman was too unstable to own a gun the prosecution would have mentioned it.
He was also charged with manslaughter which would be didn't intentionally commit murder.

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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/21/2013 1:15:44 PM   
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Not guilty of murder by reason of self defense.



You have a movie or the exact transcript saying that?

All I know about is this:

We the jury find the defendant George Zimmerman not guilty.

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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/21/2013 1:18:49 PM   
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He could not have defended himself if he were not attacked.


He would have had no need to defend himself had he not been pursuing a course for which he was not professionally qualified, nor legally empowered, and for which he had been specifically been directed by an agent of authority to not pursue. And if he had any sane concern for his own well being, then he would have waited for LE to arrive and do their job, especially when he knew they were on the way.

The immediate instance of a teenager answering to the molestation of a pervert (and there was no other way for any normal teen to perceive a shaved-head, heavily breathing, sweating, red-sweatshirt-wearing blob saying incoherent things while being pursued otherwise), can explain why Z -might have been- in 'self defense' mode.

But the fact that he had a gun seems to have adjusted his sense of vulnerability to the point where he felt he didn't need to wait on the police. It is on record that he knew the police were on the way, and he chose to act on his own in any case, with full knowledge of that. No one forced him to not wait on the police, end of story. Which also negates any sense of self defense in the broader term. Sane people's first defense is to avoid trouble in the first place, in which instance Zimmerman was doing quite the opposite.

It's hard to argue self defense when a person goes so far as that to put himself in danger, but I can't disagree that that's how the wacko law of the land happened to work out in this case.

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Had there been proof , even evidence that Zimmerman was too unstable to own a gun the prosecution would have mentioned it.


Not enough evidence for you, perhaps, but more than enough for the rest of a sane society.
If you want that guy in your neighborhood, you can have him, but the conjecture here is that your sanity-posessed neighbors would direct a stern eye towards you for inviting him, which you seem to be more than willing to do.









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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/21/2013 1:21:25 PM   
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Not guilty of murder by reason of self defense.



You have a movie or the exact transcript saying that?

All I know about is this:

We the jury find the defendant George Zimmerman not guilty.

He was charged with murder and manslaughter, his defense was self defense, they ruled in his favor, doesn't leave a lot of room for guesswork does it?

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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/21/2013 1:26:20 PM   
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Not guilty


Not by reason of shit.

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