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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/24/2013 1:51:42 PM   
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never mind, its just not worth the fingerwork.

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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/24/2013 5:31:37 PM   
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The title is an open invitation to tie in Zimmerman.
The case has little merit or food for discussion as the minuteman clearly screwed up.
There is no defense for him.



I think you will find the title was Owners way of taking the piss out of Zimmermans supporters.

Are you seriously suggesting a right wing vigilante pointing his weapon at a cop has no merit for discussion....... laughable stuff.

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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/24/2013 7:08:07 PM   
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When did you become arbiter of what does and doesnt merit discussion???
never mind, its just not worth the fingerwork.

You asked my opinion, I gave it to you, if you didn't want my opinion you shouldn't have asked.
If you see a point that needs discussing tell us what it is.
Nobody else has used this for anything but an attempt to link it to Zimmerman.
I would love to see an independent reason for this thread.
Please show me where I said nobody else should talk about what this thread is allegedly about.

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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/24/2013 7:09:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

The title is an open invitation to tie in Zimmerman.
The case has little merit or food for discussion as the minuteman clearly screwed up.
There is no defense for him.

Point a Duh
Point B for a discussion you need at least two points of view. Find someone who will defend the screwball and we can have one.

I think you will find the title was Owners way of taking the piss out of Zimmermans supporters.

Are you seriously suggesting a right wing vigilante pointing his weapon at a cop has no merit for discussion....... laughable stuff.



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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/24/2013 7:11:46 PM   
BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

The title is an open invitation to tie in Zimmerman.
The case has little merit or food for discussion as the minuteman clearly screwed up.
There is no defense for him.



I think you will find the title was Owners way of taking the piss out of Zimmermans supporters.

Are you seriously suggesting a right wing vigilante pointing his weapon at a cop has no merit for discussion....... laughable stuff.

Would you be happier if he was a left wing vigilante?
Like it or not it isn't about politics, it is about somebody doing something stupid.

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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/25/2013 4:24:15 AM   
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Would you be happier if he was a left wing vigilante?

Left wing vigilantes? They don't even have those in the comics, ffs.

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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/25/2013 4:47:41 AM   
Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Would you be happier if he was a left wing vigilante?

Left wing vigilantes? They don't even have those in the comics, ffs.


Fucking hell... I can picture Kinnock and Foot now.

"Immigrants boys, lets head `em off at the pass"


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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/25/2013 5:00:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Would you be happier if he was a left wing vigilante?

Left wing vigilantes? They don't even have those in the comics, ffs.



Wouldn't street gangs qualify as vigilantes? I don't know if they'd be left-wing, but they're definitely not right-wing.

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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/25/2013 5:04:16 AM   
Moonhead


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Status: offline 		Nope. Vigilantes fight street gangs. Haven't you ever seen Deathwish?


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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/25/2013 5:12:30 AM   
Zonie63


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Nope. Vigilantes fight street gangs.


Yeah, but so do other street gangs.

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Haven't you ever seen Deathwish?



I was thinking more like The Warriors. Can you dig it?

Besides, Charles Bronson was a liberal vigilante.

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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/25/2013 5:15:18 AM   
Lucylastic


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Status: offline 		lol i looked up left wing vigilante, just for a giggle...and came up with this as the top result, a couple more BS from zimmy fans and the rest were about vigilante movies

"Will left wing vigilantes accept Zimmerman's acquittal ?

Best Answer

If they don't, they'll riot, kill each other and destroy the businesses in their own areas. Of course they might change their modus operandi in this case, but I strongly doubt that. Most of us are armed and won't tolerate idiots."

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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/25/2013 5:16:00 AM   
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Does anyone have anything to say about this subject beyond the idiot screwed up?
It seems that we are all in agreement on this.

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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/25/2013 5:36:38 AM   
Politesub53


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Status: offline 		I know you dont feel like talking about a link with this case and the Zimmerman, but there definitely is one.

The vigilante claimed the SYG defence, to explain aiming his gun at the cop.

That is why Owner posted the thread and I responded in post #" that it would make heads spin. I can see I was right.

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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/25/2013 10:47:38 AM   
BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

lol i looked up left wing vigilante, just for a giggle...and came up with this as the top result, a couple more BS from zimmy fans and the rest were about vigilante movies

"Will left wing vigilantes accept Zimmerman's acquittal ?

Best Answer

If they don't, they'll riot, kill each other and destroy the businesses in their own areas. Of course they might change their modus operandi in this case, but I strongly doubt that. Most of us are armed and won't tolerate idiots."

unibomber
Punishing those who violated his left wing beliefs.
Far more a vigilante than a man defending himself.

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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/25/2013 10:49:51 AM   
BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

I know you dont feel like talking about a link with this case and the Zimmerman, but there definitely is one.

The vigilante claimed the SYG defence, to explain aiming his gun at the cop.

That is why Owner posted the thread and I responded in post #" that it would make heads spin. I can see I was right.

A SYG was not granted so it is not an SYG case
B Zimmerman didn't claim SYG so neither was it.
C All they have in common is that neither is a SYG case.
D SYG never applies when the other guy is LE

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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/25/2013 4:57:17 PM   
Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

A SYG was not granted so it is not an SYG case
B Zimmerman didn't claim SYG so neither was it.
C All they have in common is that neither is a SYG case.
D SYG never applies when the other guy is LE


A Zimmermans lawyers were considering SYG
B So why did many on here claim he had the right to kill Martin under SYG
C All they had in common was some dude with a gun playing cop
D Tell me something I dont know.


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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/25/2013 5:07:18 PM   
Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

unibomber
Punishing those who violated his left wing beliefs.
Far more a vigilante than a man defending himself.


Not wishing to get mod slapped twice in one day......... The idea of the Unibomber being leftist is risible.



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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/25/2013 6:22:21 PM   
BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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A SYG was not granted so it is not an SYG case
B Zimmerman didn't claim SYG so neither was it.
C All they have in common is that neither is a SYG case.
D SYG never applies when the other guy is LE


A Zimmermans lawyers were considering SYG
B So why did many on here claim he had the right to kill Martin under SYG
C All they had in common was some dude with a gun playing cop
D Tell me something I dont know.



A Considered doesn't count
B Doesn't matter what many on here claimed it was legitimate under standard self defense
C No in one case it was a true vigilante, in the other a citizen doing his duty.
D You don't seem to know that this takes SYG out of the conversation.

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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/25/2013 6:23:55 PM   
BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

unibomber
Punishing those who violated his left wing beliefs.
Far more a vigilante than a man defending himself.


Not wishing to get mod slapped twice in one day......... The idea of the Unibomber being leftist is risible.




It is a fact, he was a militant environmentalist.
The one book found in his cabin was Al Gore's Earth in the Balance.

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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/25/2013 7:02:38 PM   
Raiikun


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

A SYG was not granted so it is not an SYG case
B Zimmerman didn't claim SYG so neither was it.
C All they have in common is that neither is a SYG case.
D SYG never applies when the other guy is LE


A Zimmermans lawyers were considering SYG
B So why did many on here claim he had the right to kill Martin under SYG
C All they had in common was some dude with a gun playing cop
D Tell me something I dont know.



A Considered doesn't count
B Doesn't matter what many on here claimed it was legitimate under standard self defense
C No in one case it was a true vigilante, in the other a citizen doing his duty.
D You don't seem to know that this takes SYG out of the conversation.


More importantly, 776.032 provides for immunity from prosecution for any act of self defense, including self defense covered by traditional, pre-SYG laws. Which is why O'Mara for some time insisted that even though colloquially Florida called it a "Stand Your Ground" hearing, that it was inaccurate, as the facts of the case had nothing to do with SYG.

That hearing may still happen too. If any lawsuit gets filed against George in the next half a year, they'll motion for an immunity hearing per 776.032, and it still won't be a "SYG" hearing.

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