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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/25/2013 7:15:44 PM   
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A SYG was not granted so it is not an SYG case
B Zimmerman didn't claim SYG so neither was it.
C All they have in common is that neither is a SYG case.
D SYG never applies when the other guy is LE


A Zimmermans lawyers were considering SYG
B So why did many on here claim he had the right to kill Martin under SYG
C All they had in common was some dude with a gun playing cop
D Tell me something I dont know.



A Considered doesn't count
B Doesn't matter what many on here claimed it was legitimate under standard self defense
C No in one case it was a true vigilante, in the other a citizen doing his duty.
D You don't seem to know that this takes SYG out of the conversation.


More importantly, 776.032 provides for immunity from prosecution for any act of self defense, including self defense covered by traditional, pre-SYG laws. Which is why O'Mara for some time insisted that even though colloquially Florida called it a "Stand Your Ground" hearing, that it was inaccurate, as the facts of the case had nothing to do with SYG.

That hearing may still happen too. If any lawsuit gets filed against George in the next half a year, they'll motion for an immunity hearing per 776.032, and it still won't be a "SYG" hearing.

There you go again injecting facts into this.

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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/25/2013 7:28:57 PM   
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It is a fact, he was a militant environmentalist.
The one book found in his cabin was Al Gore's Earth in the Balance.


Are you suggesting someone who is conservative cannot also be a militant environmentalist?

Did people also forget this part of his manifesto?

http://www.davesag.com/unabomber/20danger_of_leftism.html

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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/25/2013 8:13:49 PM   
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It is a fact, he was a militant environmentalist.
The one book found in his cabin was Al Gore's Earth in the Balance.


Are you suggesting someone who is conservative cannot also be a militant environmentalist?

Did people also forget this part of his manifesto?

http://www.davesag.com/unabomber/20danger_of_leftism.html

Are you pretending that because he was violent he could not be a leftist?

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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/26/2013 3:50:23 AM   
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well Ive read maggie thatchers, ronnie rayguns and bushes books, Ive got three copiesof the bible, one Ive read thru twice completely, aynn rand, and the handmaidens tail, so apart from being a masochistic lefty what does that prove?
Nah dont answer....
Strange I dont have a book on global warming, or the communist manifest, not even a book of alinskys rules.
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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/26/2013 8:27:09 AM   
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Another one.....


http://freakoutnation.com/2013/08/20/az-minuteman-points-ar-15-rifle-at-sheriffs-deputy-wont-put-weapon-down-because-he-knows-stuff/


There are no young black men laying dead on the ground so I fail to see how this would appeal to fans of Zimmerman.

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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/26/2013 1:15:24 PM   
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It is a fact, he was a militant environmentalist.
The one book found in his cabin was Al Gore's Earth in the Balance.


blah blah blah

You wouldnt know a fact if it bit you on the arse.

Are you really being silly enough to suggest anyone who has read Gores book "MUST" be left wing ?????????



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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/27/2013 9:21:53 AM   
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http://news.yahoo.com/zimmerman-lawyer-ask-florida-pay-300-000-legal-042625962.html

Now he wants the state to pay for his defense.

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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/27/2013 9:48:57 AM   
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Im surprised he hasnt sued them for pain and suffering for letting him kill a teen

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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/27/2013 10:32:56 AM   
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http://news.yahoo.com/zimmerman-lawyer-ask-florida-pay-300-000-legal-042625962.html

Now he wants the state to pay for his defense.

Actually his lawyer wants them to.

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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/27/2013 10:36:19 AM   
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As does Zimmerman (I am sure he told Georgie the law) but is doing it on his behalf and it is a sniveling distinction without a difference.

I hope the judge denies.

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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/27/2013 10:41:44 AM   
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As does Zimmerman (I am sure he told Georgie the law) but is doing it on his behalf and it is a sniveling distinction without a difference.

I hope the judge denies.

True, of course it would help Zimmerman.
I don't know, does Florida law provide for paying part of the defense when the defendant is acquitted?
Zimmerman should be treated the same as any other acquitted defendant.

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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/27/2013 10:47:57 AM   
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Not the lawyer. 4th district has decided that.
http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2012/Chapter939/All

I do not know how or what would get him reimbursed for the movie in there.


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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/27/2013 3:57:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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It is a fact, he was a militant environmentalist.
The one book found in his cabin was Al Gore's Earth in the Balance.


Are you suggesting someone who is conservative cannot also be a militant environmentalist?

Did people also forget this part of his manifesto?

http://www.davesag.com/unabomber/20danger_of_leftism.html

Are you pretending that because he was violent he could not be a leftist?


not at all... nor did I make a claim either way... you did... and yet you cant prove it

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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/27/2013 4:01:06 PM   
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unibomber
Punishing those who violated his left wing beliefs.
Far more a vigilante than a man defending himself.


Not wishing to get mod slapped twice in one day......... The idea of the Unibomber being leftist is risible.




It is a fact, he was a militant environmentalist.
The one book found in his cabin was Al Gore's Earth in the Balance.


See, you only want to post part of what you said.

You claimed "It is a fact" .. not that he was a militant... but that

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The idea of the Unibomber being leftist is risible.


You were claiming he was a leftist.... still gonna try and squirm out of that one?

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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/27/2013 4:25:50 PM   
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As does Zimmerman (I am sure he told Georgie the law) but is doing it on his behalf and it is a sniveling distinction without a difference.

I hope the judge denies.

True, of course it would help Zimmerman.
I don't know, does Florida law provide for paying part of the defense when the defendant is acquitted?
Zimmerman should be treated the same as any other acquitted defendant.


Yes it does. Depositions costs will definitely be reimbursed. Others will likely be a fight.

O'Mara and West deserve every penny they can get IMO. Especially the last few weeks before and through trial, they were just about working 16 hour days, 7 days a week.

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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/27/2013 4:50:32 PM   
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The money Zimmerman's team hopes to recover includes only legal expenses such as hiring courtroom experts, court reporter fees for witness depositions and some travel expenses.

No Florida law allows attorneys to recover their fees from the state, Vincent said.


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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/27/2013 5:09:12 PM   
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The money Zimmerman's team hopes to recover includes only legal expenses such as hiring courtroom experts, court reporter fees for witness depositions and some travel expenses.

No Florida law allows attorneys to recover their fees from the state, Vincent said.


So if I understand correctly the law allows for them to recoup expenses for those things you listed but not for legal fees.
Thanks for the clearing this up.

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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/27/2013 5:14:53 PM   
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The money Zimmerman's team hopes to recover includes only legal expenses such as hiring courtroom experts, court reporter fees for witness depositions and some travel expenses.

No Florida law allows attorneys to recover their fees from the state, Vincent said.


So if I understand correctly the law allows for them to recoup expenses for those things you listed but not for legal fees.
Thanks for the clearing this up.


Yep. Since those costs are already paid for through donations, whatever the court reimburses can be kept by O'Mara and West. And as stated, IMO they deserve every penny they can get reimbursed.

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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/27/2013 5:16:46 PM   
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The money Zimmerman's team hopes to recover includes only legal expenses such as hiring courtroom experts, court reporter fees for witness depositions and some travel expenses.

No Florida law allows attorneys to recover their fees from the state, Vincent said.


So if I understand correctly the law allows for them to recoup expenses for those things you listed but not for legal fees.
Thanks for the clearing this up.


Yep. Since those costs are already paid for through donations, whatever the court reimburses can be kept by O'Mara and West. And as stated, IMO they deserve every penny they can get reimbursed.

If acquitted there should be no court costs

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RE: For fans of George Zimmerman..... - 8/27/2013 5:50:02 PM   
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