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ORIGINAL: hizgeorgiapeach
Padraig - while I love you dearly, my friend, there are certain portions of this that we'll simply have to agree to disagree on. (BTW - yes, I saw upon rereading that you had agreed with TC, Discipline, and Pete - still doesn't change how I personally view any of the 4 of you LoL.)
Yeah but we haven't had a good debate in ages, we're way overdue!  I'm going to re-arrange your post in my reply a bit and take the easy point first.
Egads - trying to make me think This early in the blinkin mornin (on a Sunday no less, when I was up all night carrousing) for a long overdue debate with you? Perhaps I should reconsider whether I consider you a Friend after all!
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Actually it doesn't contradict it at all. I had to dig this out of another thread, but here's a relevant portion of a post I made which I think shed's more light on my perspective.
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Respect is something else entirely. Respect is an awareness and appreciation of an individual for their personal achievements, ability, accomplishments, character, etc. Respect can be for either good or bad qualities, and respect can also be assigned to an object. For example. I respect Leonardo da Vinci and Thomas Edison for their creativity and inventiveness. I have a respect for guns because I appreciate the damage they can inflict.
There are two points that are important here. First that respect can be for either good or bad traits. Second, respect can be for anything, people, animals, even objects.
Since we agreed previously (at least, I Think we agreed previously) that you are correct in the term Valuation - it stands to reason that a Valuation can be made in either direction (good or bad) towards any specific object (living or inanimate.) I'm beginning to wonder if perhaps the divergence is more a matter of semantics than it is perception. (Yes, I know, I'm treading terribly close to an admission that you've perhaps caused me to change my mind or view certain portions of this debate differently than I did. Don't let it go to your head.)
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One of these days we're going to have to have a long chat about Skinner. Short of that, let me see if I can put it another way.
You like me. That's an emotion. Why do you like me? And my guess would be its because of my behavior, my character, my traits... these things appeal to you, because of them you find me likeable and respectable. If I behaved contrary to that, you would not like me. Agreed? Therefore, my behavior has caused you to like me... I have caused you to feel a particular way, and that is controlling your emotions. Admittedly it was not deliberate on either of our parts, and admittedly its a limited degree of control, but there it is none the less.
Would you be terribly offended if I were to answer "It actually started as simply a serious case of heavy lust" ? LOL
One of these days I'll have to explain to you just how heated some of the debates over Skinner became while I was in my various psych courses. Not even my professors could come to any sort of agreement as to the standing validity and applicability of Skinner's work. When two people who are both doctors of psychology can't come to a basic agreement about something of that nature, I bow out of attempts to come to a definative.
The difficulty with such lines of Psychology - and the attendant marketing strategems based upon them - is that people are unique and diverse in what appeals to them. In any given control group, you'll never actually Get 100 people who have exactly the same preferences, expectations, experiences, etc ad nauseum. There is going to be an element of random chance involved.
I think, as well, that you perhaps are confusing a person's Expectations - with their Preferences. The two are not the same, obviously. Do we, as individuals within a species, actually Expect certain behaviors/mindsets in those we come into contact with? Or do we simply Prefer such, and that Preference leads us to find some more appealing than others? For myself (and I can, after all, only speak for myself) - I ceased to have expectations of others except those select few whom I have a personal relationship understanding with. I still maintain Preferences, though, in how I want to see people act/think. If someone has become a well known to me, and consistantly displayed a particular behavior pattern - I begin to expect that behavior out of them due to prior history. But I Have a Prior History of interaction upon which to base those expectations. When dealing with an unknown - a new person with whom I haven't interacted on any significant level - there is no prior history upon which to base anything except Hope and Preference. Those preferences will likely determine whether or not I make the choice to get to know them well enough to potentially call them "friend," and therefore will influence whether I perhaps Begin to Expect certain things. It is, however, a process which is particularly fluid.
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There's a very fascinating book I recently read by Dr Robert Cialdini "Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion", you ought to give it a read when you have time.
Time to read I generally have plenty of currently. I'll put it on the list to look up and see if I can't aquire a copy in the near future. (Right now, I think I'm going to slink away and lick my wounds - I'm feeling an awful lot like that possum! )
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