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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/30/2013 5:14:01 AM   
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She committed perjury and they let her plead to misdemeanor perjury because they were being nice to her. They had her and everyone knew it. She's still looking at losing her nursing license so it wasn't to save that.


Why would you believe she is still at risk for losing her license?

Because someone will file a complaint with the state board and since she did commit perjury she very well may have her license revoked for moral turpitude.


Only if it was a felony. A misdemeanor wont have it yanked for that... unless she doesnt report it.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/30/2013 5:24:51 AM   
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There is still no proof that perjury was committed.

Looking at those 2 questions again:

Q: How much money is in that website right now? How much money as a result of that website was—
A: Currently, I do not know.

Nothing in those phone calls gives any indication that on April 20, 2012 while Shellie was in court, that she knew what was present in the website at that moment.

It doesn't exist.

Q: Do you have any estimate as to how much money has already been obtained or collected?
A: I do not.

Again, an "estimate" is subjective, and therefore cannot be a basis for perjury. Florida case law is clear on that.

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Sure, that's why the judge revoked the bond and she was charged with perjury. The judge had it in for her.


1) I said all along that the judge was in the right to feel misled and thus to revoke bond. That's a far different standard than perjury.
2) That is begging the question. Lots of innocent people are charged with crimes. Being charged doesn't make you guilty.

Those tapes discuss intentionally giving intentionally deceitful answers to those questions. That is the basis for the perjury claims.

She pled guilty so in the end her lawyers and she herself thought she was guilty and would lose at trial so they took the deal.


Feel free to give quotes.

What George actually told her the day of the hearing was to tell the truth.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/30/2013 5:27:11 AM   
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telling her to take the money out (always under 10k so it wouldn't be reported)


Actually this was disproven in court. A financial forensics guy testified that there were records of attempts to take out more (including the 30k that George tried to give to O'Mara), but Paypal blocked it, because their withdrawal limit was 10k per transaction.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/30/2013 5:48:23 AM   
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What George actually told her the day of the hearing was to tell the truth.


how the hell does anyone (other than Shellie & Zimmy) know what he told her the day of the hearing? Imo, the fact that she wont talk about things he actually said and answer various other questions about him says a lot, he still has a certain amount of control over her, even if she is separated from him (which it sounds like they are).. that kinda hold takes a while to finally get released (as she slowly wakes up to seeing Zimmy for who he really is).. but maybe it will be in a tell-all book that she might write..

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/30/2013 6:13:57 AM   
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how the hell does anyone (other than Shellie & Zimmy) know what he told her the day of the hearing?



Because George was in jail, and their only means of communication was by telephone, the recordings of which were made public.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/30/2013 6:39:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		On April 16, the Zimmermans had a phone conversation. Within that conversation, they allegedly discuss the amount in the online defense fund. The conversation went like this:

George Zimmerman: "In my account do I have at least $100?"

Shelly Zimmerman: "No."

George Zimmerman: "How close am I?"

Shelly Zimmerman: "$8. $8.60."

George Zimmerman: "Really? So total everything how much are we looking at?"

Shelly Zimmerman: "Like $155."

When Shelly said $8.60 she really meant $86,000 which means that when she said $155 total, there was actually $155,000. Defense Attorney O’Mara said, “It’s not again like they were trying to hide the money or leave with the money. They just had it … and felt like they need to secure themselves.” They knew what they were doing was wrong. You don’t lie about your actions and use secret codes if you have nothing to hide.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/30/2013 7:05:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Which of course, doesn't address the perjury charge. Once again, as I've said multiple times, Lester's anger at feeling misled, and revoking bond is absolutely justified. But perjury has specific components that just aren't met by the questions and answers at the bond hearing.

Hence why the prosecution seemed quite willing to agree to a deal that means she doesn't even get a conviction.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/30/2013 7:11:27 AM   
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how the hell does anyone (other than Shellie & Zimmy) know what he told her the day of the hearing?



Because George was in jail, and their only means of communication was by telephone, the recordings of which were made public.

LOL then that part was just for show, and act, so he could say later that he told her to tell the truth, he was covering his ass, not hers (again, he used her, along with everyone else he could).. Zimmy/they also tried to speak in code about the money cuz Zimmy knew they were being listened to..

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/30/2013 7:16:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		George also told O'Mara about the money while he was in jail and tried to give him 30k of it (which was blocked by paypal because paypal only allows 10k maximum in a single transfer). George then volunteered the existence of the money and handed it all over within days of getting out.

There's lots of evidence that the whole thing was a misunderstanding.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/30/2013 7:40:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		And there is Shellie saying she lied.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/30/2013 8:01:19 AM   
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If it had gone to trial she probably would have won. William Jacobson breaks it down why the perjury charge was so weak (though she was evasive and misleading which is why I did say originally that Judge Lester had good reason to be angry and feel misled).

Perjury is very specific though, and because of the way the questions were asked, and then not followed up with more specific ones, as a legal matter she didn't commit perjury.

But yes, she was fortunate to be given such a good deal...with an arrangement that good, there's no reason of taking the risk that a jury would see it differently and cause her to end up with a felony conviction. Oh and Raiikun you were the one who said she beat the charge, I said she plea out.

You'll believe anything.

She was asked if they had assets to pay a high bond. she knew of the money and failed to reveal it. Under the Florida statute she knew she was supposed to reveal it and didn't. That's perjury.

BTW did anyone else notice she also detailed yet another lie told by Zimmerman?

Zimmerman claimed he spent the afternoon before he kill Martin tutoring kids with his wife. She says they fought the day before and she had moved out and was staying with her father.


In my years in as a Parole Officer, how many times have I heard "I could have beaten this if I had taken the trial and not the plea" or words to that effect. If she thought so then why, just excuses....

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/30/2013 8:03:30 AM   
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George also told O'Mara about the money while he was in jail and tried to give him 30k of it (which was blocked by paypal because paypal only allows 10k maximum in a single transfer). George then volunteered the existence of the money and handed it all over within days of getting out.

There's lots of evidence that the whole thing was a misunderstanding.


It was never proved O'Mara knew about the money, even he said if it was true he would be disbarred.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/30/2013 8:04:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Because a trial is a gamble, and the plea deal ended it without her having a conviction at all. I would have taken the plea too, even being confident I could win. It's a no-brainer.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/30/2013 8:05:51 AM   
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George also told O'Mara about the money while he was in jail and tried to give him 30k of it (which was blocked by paypal because paypal only allows 10k maximum in a single transfer). George then volunteered the existence of the money and handed it all over within days of getting out.

There's lots of evidence that the whole thing was a misunderstanding.


It was never proved O'Mara knew about the money, even he said if it was true he would be disbarred.

A letter from the FL Bar, maybe. disbarred? Gimme a fucking break.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/30/2013 8:10:13 AM   
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George also told O'Mara about the money while he was in jail and tried to give him 30k of it (which was blocked by paypal because paypal only allows 10k maximum in a single transfer). George then volunteered the existence of the money and handed it all over within days of getting out.

There's lots of evidence that the whole thing was a misunderstanding.


It was never proved O'Mara knew about the money, even he said if it was true he would be disbarred.


Jail call # 30 (IIRC that's the right number), prior to the bond hearing, George discusses telling Mark about the money and trying to give him 30k of it.

Mark did know about the first account that Jr. had set up (which only had received a few thousand), but not the big account.

Likely scenario, George was talking in his and Shelley's code when he told O'Mara about the money and O'Mara misunderstood, thinking it was the small account that only had a few grand.

O'Mara's response to George was to the effect that "the money doesn't matter as it's only a small amount of what the trial will cost, you'll still qualify for indigence, etc.", and O'Mara probably told Shelley the same thing.

Listening to the actual phone calls and putting together what happened comes with a very different scenario than what the media painted.

It's far more likely it was a misunderstanding, than some silly absurd plot to hide all the money only to turn it in at the first opportunity like George did.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/30/2013 9:06:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Then why did they talk in code? If they were not trying to hide the money why not just say 86,000 or 86k instead of using code?

They were intentionally deceiving the court and Shellie was guilty and got lucky the prosecutor let her plead out.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/30/2013 9:11:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Already was answered in court for anyone who watched the hearing. Being in jail is one place where one might be skittish discussing how many tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars one has.

If George were intentionally trying to hide how much money he had, why did he tell his lawyer about it unasked, and turn it over at first opportunity?

And of course, I've already answered (and not yet been refuted) why Shellie's in court statements didn't add up to perjury. Being misleading or evasive in itself isn't perjury.

I don't think it was luck she was given the deal. I think the State knew how weak their case was.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/30/2013 9:15:49 AM   
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Then why did they talk in code? If they were not trying to hide the money why not just say 86,000 or 86k instead of using code?

They were intentionally deceiving the court and Shellie was guilty and got lucky the prosecutor let her plead out.

I wouldn't call her lucky.
Contrary to popular opinion, some judges have a brain.
I think he saw her as a victim too and realized that as a first time offender who had been badly frightened, she was incredibly unlikely to reoffend. Also, sending her to jail would cost taxpayers a lot of money for her incarceration and subsequent loss of income (income taxes, etc)

This made her an ideal candidate for adjudication.

The judge and prosecutor saw it as a win/win/win proposition.

The judge gets to mete out justice and save tax dollars at the same time.
The prosecutor still gets that scalp for his belt (a conviction)
Ms Z goes free with an important lesson learned and she is incredibly unlikely to ever see the inside of a courtroom again unless she gets called for jury duty plus some charity will get 100 hours of free labor.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/30/2013 9:25:56 AM   
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Already was answered in court for anyone who watched the hearing. Being in jail is one place where one might be skittish discussing how many tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars one has.

If George were intentionally trying to hide how much money he had, why did he tell his lawyer about it unasked, and turn it over at first opportunity?

And of course, I've already answered (and not yet been refuted) why Shellie's in court statements didn't add up to perjury. Being misleading or evasive in itself isn't perjury.

I don't think it was luck she was given the deal. I think the State knew how weak their case was.

Funny how a sitting judge found it be perjury, a prosecutor found it to be perjury, her own attorney found it be perjury and she herself found it be perjury.

She is extraordinarily lucky the prosecutor let her plead out.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/30/2013 9:27:46 AM   
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Then why did they talk in code? If they were not trying to hide the money why not just say 86,000 or 86k instead of using code?

They were intentionally deceiving the court and Shellie was guilty and got lucky the prosecutor let her plead out.

I wouldn't call her lucky.
Contrary to popular opinion, some judges have a brain.
I think he saw her as a victim too and realized that as a first time offender who had been badly frightened, she was incredibly unlikely to reoffend. Also, sending her to jail would cost taxpayers a lot of money for her incarceration and subsequent loss of income (income taxes, etc)

This made her an ideal candidate for adjudication.

The judge and prosecutor saw it as a win/win/win proposition.

The judge gets to mete out justice and save tax dollars at the same time.
The prosecutor still gets that scalp for his belt (a conviction)
Ms Z goes free with an important lesson learned and she is incredibly unlikely to ever see the inside of a courtroom again unless she gets called for jury duty plus some charity will get 100 hours of free labor.

IME judges get very cranky when they catch someone lying in court. The judge could have easily held her for contempt, or even gotten criminal contempt charges filed, and refused the plea.

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