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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/30/2013 9:34:33 AM   
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Already was answered in court for anyone who watched the hearing. Being in jail is one place where one might be skittish discussing how many tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars one has.

If George were intentionally trying to hide how much money he had, why did he tell his lawyer about it unasked, and turn it over at first opportunity?

And of course, I've already answered (and not yet been refuted) why Shellie's in court statements didn't add up to perjury. Being misleading or evasive in itself isn't perjury.

I don't think it was luck she was given the deal. I think the State knew how weak their case was.

Funny how a sitting judge found it be perjury, a prosecutor found it to be perjury, her own attorney found it be perjury and she herself found it be perjury.

She is extraordinarily lucky the prosecutor let her plead out.


Begging the question.

The judge only found it such because she plead to it. She only plead to it because it was a no brainer to take the safe non-conviction rather than risk a trial with the notoriety her name has. Her lawyer has said he doesn't believe she lied on the stand.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/30/2013 10:13:43 AM   
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Already was answered in court for anyone who watched the hearing. Being in jail is one place where one might be skittish discussing how many tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars one has.

If George were intentionally trying to hide how much money he had, why did he tell his lawyer about it unasked, and turn it over at first opportunity?

And of course, I've already answered (and not yet been refuted) why Shellie's in court statements didn't add up to perjury. Being misleading or evasive in itself isn't perjury.

I don't think it was luck she was given the deal. I think the State knew how weak their case was.

Funny how a sitting judge found it be perjury, a prosecutor found it to be perjury, her own attorney found it be perjury and she herself found it be perjury.

She is extraordinarily lucky the prosecutor let her plead out.


Begging the question.

The judge only found it such because she plead to it. She only plead to it because it was a no brainer to take the safe non-conviction rather than risk a trial with the notoriety her name has. Her lawyer has said he doesn't believe she lied on the stand.

The tapes prove she lied. She was asked for an estimate of how much money and said she had no idea while she previously had told George 155k in code.

I'm 100% positive her lawyer told her she was going to be convicted if it went to trial so take the plea. If the case was as bad as you claim they would have sought a straight dismissal and they didn't.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/30/2013 10:27:51 AM   
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The tapes prove she lied. She was asked for an estimate of how much money and said she had no idea while she previously had told George 155k in code.



Once again - That previous conversation was four days prior. There is no evidence that she had a current estimate. She did, also, offer to get the individual on the phone who could answer that.

Also, estimates are subjective, and thus a perjury conviction could not be sustained on that alone.

Yes, the answer was evasive; she was obviously trying to hide something. Hence, why I've never thought Lester was out of line for revoking bond or being upset at being misled. But that in itself is not perjury.

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I'm 100% positive her lawyer told her she was going to be convicted if it went to trial so take the plea. If the case was as bad as you claim they would have sought a straight dismissal and they didn't.


I disagree, and have explained why. No one has yet to give a convincing argument otherwise.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/30/2013 10:33:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		If Bernie really did want something to get an actual conviction of perjury with (rather than something they had to plead down to a non-conviction), when she said she didn't have an estimate, he could have asked "Has the website raised over 100 grand?" If she'd said "No" or even "I don't know" to that question, that would be provable perjury. But, Bernie didn't. Thus, a felony perjury charge got plead down to no conviction at all.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/30/2013 11:22:02 AM   
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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/30/2013 1:34:07 PM   
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and she sits alone at night, with her cat, and her lawyers bills.

LOL well,.. she can set up a website to help pay those.. I am sure all those Zimmy supporters would have no problem chipping in for Zimmy's wifey... as for her cat, I dare say she will find it to have much more loyalty to her than Zimmy ever did...

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/30/2013 2:13:26 PM   
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The tapes prove she lied. She was asked for an estimate of how much money and said she had no idea while she previously had told George 155k in code.



Once again - That previous conversation was four days prior. There is no evidence that she had a current estimate. She did, also, offer to get the individual on the phone who could answer that.

Also, estimates are subjective, and thus a perjury conviction could not be sustained on that alone.

Yes, the answer was evasive; she was obviously trying to hide something. Hence, why I've never thought Lester was out of line for revoking bond or being upset at being misled. But that in itself is not perjury.

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I'm 100% positive her lawyer told her she was going to be convicted if it went to trial so take the plea. If the case was as bad as you claim they would have sought a straight dismissal and they didn't.


I disagree, and have explained why. No one has yet to give a convincing argument otherwise.

No. the convincing argument is that she lied under oath, got charged with perjury, accepted a plea bargain to a misdemeanor charge of perjury and allocuted in court that she committed perjury.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/30/2013 5:02:39 PM   
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and she sits alone at night, with her cat, and her lawyers bills.


I bet she doesnt feel as alone as Martins family either.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/30/2013 7:52:09 PM   
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The tapes prove she lied. She was asked for an estimate of how much money and said she had no idea while she previously had told George 155k in code.



Once again - That previous conversation was four days prior. There is no evidence that she had a current estimate. She did, also, offer to get the individual on the phone who could answer that.

Also, estimates are subjective, and thus a perjury conviction could not be sustained on that alone.

Yes, the answer was evasive; she was obviously trying to hide something. Hence, why I've never thought Lester was out of line for revoking bond or being upset at being misled. But that in itself is not perjury.

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I'm 100% positive her lawyer told her she was going to be convicted if it went to trial so take the plea. If the case was as bad as you claim they would have sought a straight dismissal and they didn't.


I disagree, and have explained why. No one has yet to give a convincing argument otherwise.

No. the convincing argument is that she lied under oath, got charged with perjury, accepted a plea bargain to a misdemeanor charge of perjury and allocuted in court that she committed perjury.


Now, someone just needs to actually prove what statement was a perjurious statement with the evidence that shows it was. Then there might be a convincing argument.

That hasn't happened yet.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/30/2013 7:53:29 PM   
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and she sits alone at night, with her cat, and her lawyers bills.


I bet she doesnt feel as alone as Martins family either.



It sucks for them that their son attacked an armed stranger. It's tragic, but it is what it is.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/30/2013 8:14:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Raiikun


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The tapes prove she lied. She was asked for an estimate of how much money and said she had no idea while she previously had told George 155k in code.



Once again - That previous conversation was four days prior. There is no evidence that she had a current estimate. She did, also, offer to get the individual on the phone who could answer that.

Also, estimates are subjective, and thus a perjury conviction could not be sustained on that alone.

Yes, the answer was evasive; she was obviously trying to hide something. Hence, why I've never thought Lester was out of line for revoking bond or being upset at being misled. But that in itself is not perjury.

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I'm 100% positive her lawyer told her she was going to be convicted if it went to trial so take the plea. If the case was as bad as you claim they would have sought a straight dismissal and they didn't.


I disagree, and have explained why. No one has yet to give a convincing argument otherwise.

No. the convincing argument is that she lied under oath, got charged with perjury, accepted a plea bargain to a misdemeanor charge of perjury and allocuted in court that she committed perjury.


Now, someone just needs to actually prove what statement was a perjurious statement with the evidence that shows it was. Then there might be a convincing argument.

That hasn't happened yet.

If there was no perjury why didn't the defense attorney file for a dismissal due to lack of evidence? Certainly he didn't fail to exhaust his pre trial maneuvers before advising his client to accept the plea since that would be malpractice.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/30/2013 8:15:59 PM   
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and she sits alone at night, with her cat, and her lawyers bills.


I bet she doesnt feel as alone as Martins family either.



It sucks for them that their son attacked an armed stranger. It's tragic, but it is what it is.


It sucks that you believe the murdering proven liar.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/31/2013 12:06:26 AM   
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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/31/2013 12:19:17 AM   
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Except the whole"proven liar" thing is false, and legally he's not a murderer. A jury already decided that.

Shelly just proved he's a liar. Which adds to all the other lies we all know he told. An acquitted murderer is still a murderer.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/31/2013 5:19:16 AM   
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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/31/2013 3:52:32 PM   
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Of course, you are wrong on all counts.

How precisely did George and Shellie tutor kids together the afternoon before he killed Martin, as George claimed in his statement to the police and his interview with Hannity, when Shellie had left him and was staying at her father's?

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/31/2013 4:21:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Was it a love triangle? Is that it? Mrs. Zimmerman had found a new man... from Miami, about 5' 11" and 158 pounds, dark, brooding, temporarily living a few streets over?

So George arranged for the victim to be in that exact spot at the right time?


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Of course, you are wrong on all counts.

How precisely did George and Shellie tutor kids together the afternoon before he killed Martin, as George claimed in his statement to the police and his interview with Hannity, when Shellie had left him and was staying at her father's?



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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/31/2013 8:02:11 PM   
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Of course, you are wrong on all counts.

How precisely did George and Shellie tutor kids together the afternoon before he killed Martin, as George claimed in his statement to the police and his interview with Hannity, when Shellie had left him and was staying at her father's?


Several possibilities exist, including Shellie taking her mentoring seriously enough to do so despite staying at her father's.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/31/2013 8:04:12 PM   
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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/31/2013 8:34:39 PM   
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Of course, you are wrong on all counts.

How precisely did George and Shellie tutor kids together the afternoon before he killed Martin, as George claimed in his statement to the police and his interview with Hannity, when Shellie had left him and was staying at her father's?


Several possibilities exist, including Shellie taking her mentoring seriously enough to do so despite staying at her father's.

Go read what she said in her interview. She's pretty explicit about where she was that day.

And I believe her this time because she has no reason to lie and still seems loyal to George so it appears she may have simply slipped up.

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