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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/29/2013 5:13:16 PM

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And there's no indication that this has had any impact on the co-op, or anybody else.

I wouldn't say that. Look at the byline. And as someone who's worked in PR, the kind of Guardian coverage this has been getting is going to make a lot of companies a bit jumpy.

I doubt it was much of an issue. There's been similar groups protesting lads mags since Loaded first appeared the best part of twenty years back, and you still see a shelf full of tits in rubber bras at eye level every time you go in Smiths.

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/29/2013 5:16:34 PM

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And I am curious that this one didnt cause an uproar....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEhy-RXkNo0

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/29/2013 5:20:01 PM

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According to the artists herself she is an alternative artist that has only done commercials and films so far. She publishes and releases her own music. She has only cut one CD with 4 songs on it which she sells personally not through any public venue. So NO. HER VIDEO HAS NOT BEEN ON TV. This particular video was only published today. IT IS A NEW RELEASE SO YOU COULD NOT HAVE SEEN IT BEFORE TODAY. So if you really want to be taken seriously find an actual mainstream music video that talks about mutilating male genitals. If this is mainstream give me an hour and pen I can write film and youtube a "mainstream video" about male genital mutilation......what rhymes with nutsack?

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/29/2013 5:21:26 PM

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Maybe the op hasn't seen that one?

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/29/2013 5:21:50 PM

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The OP tends to make up his own facts.

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/29/2013 5:22:58 PM

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...what rhymes with nutsack?

Cossack?
Buttpack?

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/29/2013 5:29:21 PM

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FR,

By "hugely influential golden age rapper" Kool G Rap, who has a net worth of $1.5 million:

Last week I beat my bitch up in the street for lyin to me
She thought she caught a cutie but didn't know the nigga knew me
He said he had but one or two affairs with the booga bear
All a nigga could do was try to act like he don't fuckin care
I was about to drop the hammer on this nigga
Till grip pulled out his wallet and he had my bitch's pictures
That undercover lover bullshit was now discovered
Can't wait to see this bitch 'cause I'm a beat her ass in public
I went to her sister's house, drove by her momma's
I even stepped to poppa duke's house to bring the drama
Lookin up the block, yeah hold up, yeah there goes that bitch
From a mile away yo I could tell my bitch is switched
So I ran up on her, hey wassup bitch I got a question
If your lot of Smith & Wessons gonna teach ya ass a lesson
You ever fucked around on me before? "Hell no! " *smack*
"Yo what you hit me with that gun for? "
Bitch why you lyin, bitch you've been cheatin
Now I gotsa to give your motherfuckin ass a beatin
I punched her in the ribcage and kicked her in the stomach
Take off all my motherfuckin jewellery, bitch runnin
I stomped her and I kicked her and I punched her in the face
Some people crowded around but nobody got out of place
Don't want heroics, "Hey buddy" - aiyyo money don't get in this
"Hey miss you alright? " - motherfucker mind your business!
I'm bashin her with the nine, inches away from pullin the trigger
But a nigga got to hit her till I see her face get bigger
I'm sick of all the bullshit, tired of all the nonsense
So I pistol whipped the bitch till her ass fell out of conscious
Now she's all bloodied up, layin in that red shit
Bitch press charges, I guarantee you she's a dead bitch
The first time you play me is your last
So yo don't interrupt me when I'm whoopin on my bitch ass

[Chorus:]
"Hey mister mister, what the fuck you doin? "
"Hey mister mister" - keep walking past!
"Hey mister mister, what the fuck you doin? "
Don't interrupt me when I'm whoopin on my bitch ass!

[Kool G. Rap:]
I'm baggin up mad shit, puttin it on the street
I never snorted but I find myself shorted every weekend
Shit is disappearin and I'm lookin for the logic
Of why my shit gets lower every time I count the profit
It never fails again, these bitches drawers they go back up
One hundred here, two hundred here, but all that shit adds up
So I'm layin for the traitor
So I can put foot in they ass 'cause I'm a motherfucking bitch hater!
So I'm peepin out the spot for a week
If I catch one of these bitches stashin bread she'll be dead meat
I took one to the bath and tried to knock it
Feelin on her ass, hey yo bitch what's this in your pocket?
Aha finally caught your ass!
The bitch had my cash, I rolled up inside her stash
She started coppin a plea but I ain't really tryin to hear her
I snatched her by her hand, bashed her face up in the mirror
I threw her right on the ground and then her skirt revealed her panties
Now a nigga's ready to shove his dick up in her fanny
I hit the bitch like one more time and then I just said fuck it
Pulled my zipper down, whipped out my dick and made her suck it
I'm rammin my dick inside of her mouth and tryin to make her choke
Then I grabbed the back of her head and shot come down her throat
I beat her and I dissed the bitch for tryin to steal my cash
So yo don't interrupt me when I'm whoopin on my bitch ass

Lyrics from <a href="http://www.elyrics.net">eLyrics.net</a>

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/29/2013 5:38:56 PM

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Imagine a song about a male getting unwanted attention from fat chicks so he went around shooting them in the vulva?

It's perfectly clear that what the narrator objects to is being objectified, not the physical appearance of the men doing it.

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Ha! real funny. The feminists wouldn't be at all protesting against it and claiming it's inciting violence against women.

Assuming this were merely a question of glamorizing violence by women against sexualized men, you would have every reason to complain. Just as others would have reason to complain about a video glamorizing violence by men against sexualized women.

You're entitled to complain all you want. I think it's clear the video isn't actually advocating violence but rather making an artistic/political statement. I'd be surprised if you can really have a problem with that.

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It never ceases to amaze me how it's considerable as mainstream humour when seeing a woman damage a male's genitals. Yet if a male was to damage a woman's genitals simply because she pissed him off in any way, where would be the humour?

I think that's a fair point, but then you're largely ignoring the context of the video, which was feeling sexually objectified to the point of anger and the desire for retaliation. (and was not "openly calling for violence against men') If you can imagine a similar context for a male narrator who was then driven to shoot women in the vulva as a result of being repeatedly objectified by women, I would be interested to hear it. Frankly, I think you'll be hard pressed to come up with a comparable example.

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/29/2013 5:41:57 PM

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Well said, Pam!

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/29/2013 5:47:51 PM

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...blushes...

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/29/2013 10:07:10 PM

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It never ceases to amaze me how it's considerable as mainstream humour when seeing a woman damage a male's genitals. Yet if a male was to damage a woman's genitals simply because she pissed him off in any way, where would be the humour?

This video sums up the sexist double standard perfectly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rkl_oLSKQc

Your second video illustrates your point much better than the first, and I have to admit, it's a good point. That's because it shows how frequently popular culture makes light of violence against men's genitalia. Gansta rap does not provides a good analogy for violence against women because it represents a counterculture. It is a deliberate defiance and rebellion against social norms, not an endorsement of them. Therefore, it can't be taken as a model for (or reflection of) social behavior the way the mainstream media can.

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 7:03:07 AM

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@Metamorfosis- This is a bit off topic but I have to disagree about "gangsta music" being a counter culture and not a reflection of social behavior. For starters there is no such thing as "gangsta rap" Its called, urban, hip-hop and rap and it crosses racial, economic and gender lines in society. (particularly noteworthy is that the music industry reports that white fans outnumber black fans 6:1). The violence depicted in urban music is real, its influential and; based solely on the level of violence that is occurring in urban areas, its definitely become a model (a very negative one) for social behavior.

Take another look at that "pop culture" video about male genitalia and figure out what culture/race of people are conveniently missing from that "model of social behavior." Then ask yourself is it really more mainstream than urban music?

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Your second video illustrates your point much better than the first, and I have to admit, it's a good point. That's because it shows how frequently popular culture makes light of violence against men's genitalia. Gansta rap does not provides a good analogy for violence against women because it represents a counterculture. It is a deliberate defiance and rebellion against social norms, not an endorsement of them. Therefore, it can't be taken as a model for (or reflection of) social behavior the way the mainstream media can.

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 7:14:56 AM

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How many of them songs are in mainstream videos on TV?

I believe the rolling stones are a mainstream group. Did you ever see the cover of the "black and blue" album?

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 7:20:42 AM

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Your second video illustrates your point much better than the first, and I have to admit, it's a good point.

And here's another point that goes well beyond "violence to men" although I myself am not sure how i feel about it. You have to step back and look hard because this is terribly ingrained in our culture.

Men are fundamentally expendable.

We send men to war. We send men to do the dangerous jobs. I myself would not only lay down my own life for Carol but for pretty much any random female of any age or male child. It was kind of sobering to realize that I'm expendable and I myself agreed with that. Again, I don't know what to make of it exactly and I'm surely not prepared to get all melodramatic over it but it's been a vaguely troubling thought since I thought it. Is it really right that I am intrinsically less worthy to live than some random woman?

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 7:38:22 AM

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@JeffBC- I don't think the idea is that men are intrinsically less worthy to live than women. I think its just the opposite. The general sexist norm of society says that only men are (strong, smart, capable, courageous, valiant) enough to go to war, do the hard jobs and lay down their lives for others. The myth is that women "can't hack it" even though history has proven this wrong time and time again. While you and many men are willing to lay down your life for others there are just as many women who are willing to lay (and have laid) down their lives for others. The 200,000 women who are currently serving in the military and the more the 1000 who have been killed or injured in Iraq and Afghanistan speaks for itself.

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 7:38:25 AM

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I think that is buried deep inside ourselves. We, as a society, tend to be more protective of the younger and weaker. The species cannot survive with only a few women. Does science that comes along and makes that no longer true wipe out that potential DNA blue print? Eventually, perhaps, in time.

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 7:38:54 AM

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Is it really right that I am intrinsically less worthy to live than some random woman?

I believe you have the right premis but the wrong conclusion.
My thoughts are that your actions would represent a desire to preserve the specie rather than a dimunition of any individual of that specie.

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 8:13:56 AM

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How hard do you think it'd be to go into the rap genre and find a whole host of lyrics promoting violence and rape and whatnot against women? I dislike those songs too.

How many of them songs are in mainstream videos on TV?

Loads, back when music videos on TV were a thing that actually existed. Certainly, I've heard plenty of songs like that on the radio. I'm always like "WTF" when "Boyz in the Hood" comes on the radio.

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 8:18:45 AM

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I would strongly prefer to be raped up the bum than get my dick chopped off. But of course, as it's only men who are the victims of dicks being chopped off, it's no surprise how people will try anything to downplay that matter and make out that any violence against women is a billion times worse due to politically correct female favouritism.

Are you aware that over one hundred million women worldwide that have been victims of genital mutiliaion by having their clitoris cut off (and often the labia too) with a knife or scissors without anaesthesia?

Why is one guy getting his dick cut off worse than all that?

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 8:35:48 AM

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Maybe it's because violence by women against men of this level is quite rare, Nick.

Bingo.

The OP fails to realize that the song is a vent and a revenge fantasy against the way far too many men treat women.

The same feeling is why the women of the View (except Sara Gilbert - kudos to her) find an actual such attack so hilarious. When (if) male violence (as well as intimidation and gross rudeness) against women should ever decrease I suspect that women won't find such things so funny.

But a kick in the balls will always be funny... so long as it is not my balls.

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