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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 4:36:31 PM

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Thats the one

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 4:47:46 PM

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I thought it was Moonhead. You're a candle in the wind along with your Tory chum Polite, oi?

Nobody says 'Oi' here, Ron. On the rare occasions that they do, it's spelt 'Oy', you bloody dimwit Septic.

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 4:49:26 PM

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I thought it went " OY you bleedin OIK"

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 4:52:12 PM

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I thought it went " OY you bleedin OIK"

Only up north Maam.......... Smirks a tad

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 5:09:09 PM

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It certainly wasnt women who were sending the men off to war.... or who had a hand in the draft etc, even when we got the vote,

It must have been women, Lucy. Get with the programme. Feminists are the evil-doers here. Not men, not the powers that be, not righties . . . because these people are Nick's chums and they look after people like Nick, always. They never exploit people like Nick, nor bullshit them, nor encourage them to direct their anger to where it'll be the most useless to Nick and people like him, but the least harmful to the powers that be.

It was feminists who got so many men killed in WW1, WW2 and every war thereafter. And before. Feminists, every time. Feminists.

Feminists.

And lefties.

It's perfectly clear.

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 5:10:22 PM

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Oi Oi Peon........ Dont be gettin all posh on us.

I'm not at home to Mr Common, PS.

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 5:19:18 PM

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Does a tenner on the mid week lottery make me Nouveau Riche my good man.

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 5:24:23 PM

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It certainly wasnt women who were sending the men off to war.... or who had a hand in the draft etc, even when we got the vote,

It must have been women, Lucy. Get with the programme. Feminists are the evil-doers here. Not men, not the powers that be, not righties . . . because these people are Nick's chums and they look after people like Nick, always. They never exploit people like Nick, nor bullshit them, nor encourage them to direct their anger to where it'll be the most useless to Nick and people like him, but the least harmful to the powers that be.

It was feminists who got so many men killed in WW1, WW2 and every war thereafter. And before. Feminists, every time. Feminists.

Feminists.

And lefties.

It's perfectly clear.

Look out for the lefty feminists oh shit hang on, redundancy.
By the way have I told you lately how adorable you are?

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 5:28:22 PM

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By the way have I told you lately how adorable you are?

Is that the same as "Trollop"

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 5:40:09 PM

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pretty much:)

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 5:53:43 PM

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pretty much:)

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 6:02:48 PM

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No one has heard of political rap or hip hop?

Hip hop and rap were what I was referring to when I said "urban music", so I stand by my argument in post #134.

Interestingly, this is what Wikipedia has to say about misogyny in hip hop culture:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogyny_in_hip_hop_culture

Misogyny in hip hop culture refers to lyrics, videos, or other aspects of hip hop culture that support, glorify, or normalize the objectification, exploitation, or victimization of women.

Scholars have proposed various explanations for the presence of misogyny in hip hop culture. Some have argued that rap artists use misogynistic lyrics and portrayals as a way to assert their masculinity or to demonstrate their authenticity as rappers. Others have suggested that rap music is a product of its environment, reflecting mainstream attitudes towards women and that hip hop artists have internalized negative stereotypes about women. Still other academics have stressed economic considerations, arguing that rappers use misogyny to achieve commercial success.

Content analyses have found that approximately 22%-37% of rap lyrics contain some misogyny depending on the subgenre. Individual artists have been shown to use such lyrics more frequently. Eminem, for example, used misogyny in eleven if the 14 songs on his third studio album. Common misogynistic themes include the use of derogatory names such as "bitch" and "ho", sexual objectification of women, legitimation of violence against women, distrust against women, and the glorification of prostitution and pimping.

...Various authors have argued that misogyny in hip hop culture is only an outgrowth of the cultural acceptance of misogyny at large. Michael Eric Dyson states that misogyny is a tried and true American tradition from which hip hop derives its understanding of how men and women should behave. Similarly, Charlise Cheney argues that hip-hop's misogyny and promotion of traditional gender roles reflects mainstream American values.

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 6:45:09 PM

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Stop trying to change the subject Nick. The topic at discussion is why you believe that Lana Shey is representative of the mainstream.

Actually, I think the topic under discussion is whether there is any difference in how accepting the public is of violence toward male versus female genitals (as portrayed in the media) and, if there is, whether that difference reflects unhealthy underlying attitudes towards men or women.

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 6:49:39 PM

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urban music may reflect the real violence of the ghetto, but the reason it's popular with so many people outside the ghetto is because it rebels against traditional values and glamorizes urban counterculture.

I would suggest that "traditional values" is what causes the majority of the misogyny and violence we see demonstrated and imitated in not just urban culture but in mainstream culture and music. When an estimated 1.3 million women a year experience domestic violence that is not a "ghetto" culture. It is very much a mainstream culture. The urban music is just brave enough to talk about their violence. While "traditional values" pretends its not happening in suburbia.

It mostly sells violence as a fantasy, not a reality, which appeals those looking to achieve hipness by taking a stand against the establishment, without actually having to get their hands dirty.

Its not fantasy if its actually happening and we all know that violence in general and violence against women in particular is very well a reality. The music may make it appear hip to some but the same type of misogynist rhetoric shows up in mainstream radio, television, magazines and sadly out of the mouths of some of our own male family members. (but of course that is just boys being boys) I have noticed that the ones screaming the loudest for "tradition values" are generally the ones promoting misogyny. Because "traditionally" women were second class citizens. Its easy to say that mainstream culture is this whitewashed place that does not condone violence but our "pro-gun culture", the recent and continuing school shootings, parents murdering their own children and again the very high incidence of family violence tells a much different story than the powers that be would have us believe.

It is defining oneself by rebellion against social norms and socially acceptable behavior. The same could be said of punk rock, thrash/death metal, hardcore, and heavy metal, from whence come most of the examples of "women bashing" songs on this thread.

Is it truly "rebellion" against social norms?...... or are they actually just snatching the covers off and revealing our society's ugly, bloodstained truth?

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 6:53:07 PM

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Hip hop and rap were what I was referring to when I said "urban music", so I stand by my argument in post #134.

Interestingly, this is what Wikipedia has to say about misogyny in hip hop culture:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogyny_in_hip_hop_culture

Misogyny in hip hop culture refers to lyrics, videos, or other aspects of hip hop culture that support, glorify, or normalize the objectification, exploitation, or victimization of women.

No one is denying all that happens. Yet to dismiss a whole genre as being just like how you describe is patently wrong. Many political statements have been made via hip hop/rap music.

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 6:54:20 PM

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The topic at discussion is why you believe that Lana Shey is representative of the mainstream.

Actually, the real topic is something else, but it's a TOS violation to say exactly what.

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 7:01:00 PM

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Hip hop and rap were what I was referring to when I said "urban music", so I stand by my argument in post #134.

Interestingly, this is what Wikipedia has to say about misogyny in hip hop culture:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogyny_in_hip_hop_culture

Misogyny in hip hop culture refers to lyrics, videos, or other aspects of hip hop culture that support, glorify, or normalize the objectification, exploitation, or victimization of women.

No one is denying all that happens. Yet to dismiss a whole genre as being just like how you describe is patently wrong. Many political statements have been made via hip hop/rap music.

I didn't dismiss the whole genre as being misogynistic. I was quoting what Wikipedia says about the phenomenon of misogyny in hip hop. Further on in the quote, Wikipedia goes on to say that misogyny is present in 22-37% of hip hop music, which is obviously much less than the entire genre..

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 7:45:47 PM

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I'll say this, as a white male living in America in post 2000 era, the white male is being discriminated against like never before. Now me, I am well aware of the history of this nation and I agree there are some a-hole men, just like there are some a-hole women out there. But this open discrimination on white male's is getting way too out of hand. Ever watch a Black Comedian make fun of white people? I have and I even laugh but I still realize the double standard. I can tell you this now, as a White Male, I have experienced discrimination first hand. Of all thing's, because of the color of my skin. Trying to be a white boy growing up near the project's isn't a fun way to grow up. I've heard it all. I am for ALL equality and I just want the double standard to end. But yes, white males can and do get discriminated about. This song is yet just another example.

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 8:29:19 PM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pfsrk445kc

Imagine a song about a male getting unwanted attention from fat chicks so he went around shooting them in the vulva?

Ha! real funny. The feminists wouldn't be at all protesting against it and claiming it's inciting violence against women.

It never ceases to amaze me how it's considerable as mainstream humour when seeing a woman damage a male's genitals. Yet if a male was to damage a woman's genitals simply because she pissed him off in any way, where would be the humour?

This video sums up the sexist double standard perfectly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rkl_oLSKQc

No surprise.

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 8:37:17 PM

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I was referring to your post here

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4534677

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