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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 8:35:51 AM

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Have you complained to the channel that played the song?
are you waiting for someone else to do it?>?
thats what most people do when they think there is something wrong with an advert or something shown on tv that they dont l ike?
If not, why not..
Are you going to?
are you planning on making other men in australia , aware that its being shown?? Yanno where it might get it removed?

Right? If he was organizing a campaign to get the channel to not play that song anymore, or starting an awareness campaign in his country to promote the idea that violence against men isn't funny, that wouldn't be whining. He doesn't seem to understand that "doing something" is different from "complaining on a message board".

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 8:43:20 AM

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*nod* I agree that in any such discussion there are layers and layers of subtly. I refer to the early history of the feminist movement to see that same thing. But the point remains, if someone is going to die it's me. And I think most of us can call "death" a reasonable "bottom line".

Nor did I mean to imply that women were incapable of similar thoughts. I'd have to command Carol to not do it or she would and without a moment's hesitation. I'm talking cultural tapestry here which is an accretion of centuries (or more) of layers. And just as you note... that tapestry continues to change and the acceptance of women into those hazardous duties/jobs is happening.

I'd like to remind everyone, this is more in the intriguing question category than the "OMG violence against men" category. But I think it's related enough to bring up in this thread and I suspect there's some deep seated gender bias going on there... really, really deep seated. In other words, I strongly suspect that with enough poking around at it some interesting stuff will turn up. When I say "gender bias" I always mean both genders since it's two sides of the same coin. Another reason why I don't call myself a feminist anymore. I don't think it's possible to solve half the problem.

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 8:47:37 AM

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I believe you have the right premis but the wrong conclusion.
My thoughts are that your actions would represent a desire to preserve the specie rather than a dimunition of any individual of that specie.

Yup, readily admit there may be a biological component too. We don't know enough about biology to answer that definitively though. Unfortunately, I'm not enough of an anthropologist to untangle the biology part from the patriarchy part and in fact they may also be tightly related which brings up a whole new question. This is where I want Aswad to drop by this thread :)

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I should've thought that any feminist would be fairy wary of assertions of biological predestination. Didn't women get handed that A LOT?

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 11:10:05 AM

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How many of them songs are in mainstream videos on TV?

I believe the rolling stones are a mainstream group. Did you ever see the cover of the "black and blue" album?

Looks like the controversial image was actually on a billboard to promote their album, but point taken.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_and_Blue

...The album was promoted with a controversial billboard on Sunset Boulevard in Hollywood that depicted the model Anita Russell, bound by Jagger[7] under the phrase "I'm Black and Blue from the Rolling Stones — and I love it!" The billboard was removed after protests by the feminist group Women Against Violence Against Women, although it earned the band widespread press coverage.[8]

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 11:13:13 AM

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And as many women drooled at the thought of being in such a state personally.

Oh well, it is what it is.

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 11:48:41 AM

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But a kick in the balls will always be funny... so long as it is not my balls.

It's funny because it's a sudden reminder of a fragility in men. Men aren't supposed to be fragile in any way. Men are supposed to be strong in all ways. This is wrong, and was something that was pointed out by . . .

. . . Feminists. No, that can't be right, because feminists are the enemy. Aren't they?

Nick, help me out here - who's the enemy?

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 11:59:14 AM

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I thought it was Moonhead. You're a candle in the wind along with your Tory chum Polite, oi?

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 12:01:08 PM

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It's funny because it's a sudden reminder of a fragility in men. Men aren't supposed to be fragile in any way. Men are supposed to be strong in all ways. This is wrong, and was something that was pointed out by . . .

. . . Feminists. No, that can't be right, because feminists are the enemy. Aren't they?

Nick, help me out here - who's the enemy?

The sensitivity of the testicles, as well as their unfortunate placement, is an argument for evolution and against the nonsense known as Intelligent Design. On the other hand, one could argue that God, having made men physically stronger than women, gave them a weak spot in order to balance things out a little. "Okay ladies, if he gets out of hand, just give him a swift kick right there."

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 12:02:38 PM

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Women cow were excluded from the actual kick, because the situation is plainly the same in them and horses, and the like, wot?

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 12:51:00 PM

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

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How many of them songs are in mainstream videos on TV?

I believe the rolling stones are a mainstream group. Did you ever see the cover of the "black and blue" album?

Looks like the controversial image was actually on a billboard to promote their album, but point taken.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_and_Blue

...The album was promoted with a controversial billboard on Sunset Boulevard in Hollywood that depicted the model Anita Russell, bound by Jagger[7] under the phrase "I'm Black and Blue from the Rolling Stones — and I love it!" The billboard was removed after protests by the feminist group Women Against Violence Against Women, although it earned the band widespread press coverage.[8]

I watched them put that billboard up and I watched them take it down...
I got the pics with a 4x5 graffic view II...As ansel once said of one of his pics..."best g.d damn son bitchin' thing I've evr done".

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 12:52:30 PM

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Women cow were excluded from the actual kick, because the situation is plainly the same in them and horses, and the like, wot?

With a horse there are places where you can touch and hold a horse and not be kicked...not so with a cow...if you can touch her she can kick you.

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 12:56:39 PM

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If you are a bull touching her in the gash, she cant kick you in the balls though is the point.

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 1:00:20 PM

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

If you are a bull touching her in the gash, she cant kick you in the balls though is the point.

True true but he had best "stick" the dismount or he could,like at the bank, be penalized for early withdrawal.

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 3:03:59 PM

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@Metamorfosis- This is a bit off topic but I have to disagree about "gangsta music" being a counter culture and not a reflection of social behavior...The violence depicted in urban music is real, its influential and; based solely on the level of violence that is occurring in urban areas, its definitely become a model (a very negative one) for social behavior.

Urban music may reflect the real violence of the ghetto, but the reason it's popular with so many people outside the ghetto is because it rebels against traditional values and glamorizes urban counterculture. It mostly sells violence as a fantasy, not a reality, which appeals those looking to achieve hipness by taking a stand against the establishment, without actually having to get their hands dirty. It is defining oneself by rebellion against social norms and socially acceptable behavior. The same could be said of punk rock, thrash/death metal, hardcore, and heavy metal, from whence come most of the examples of "women bashing" songs on this thread.

So, I stand by my position that while that music is out there and gets plenty of exposure, it is not analogous to Lana Shae, because the very purpose of those lyrics is to shock, disturb, rebel, and engage in fantasy while Lana Shae is making a real political commentary.

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 3:30:04 PM

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No one has heard of political rap or hip hop?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Political_hip_hop_artists

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 3:33:10 PM

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We send men to war. We send men to do the dangerous jobs. I myself would not only lay down my own life for Carol but for pretty much any random female of any age or male child. It was kind of sobering to realize that I'm expendable and I myself agreed with that. Again, I don't know what to make of it exactly and I'm surely not prepared to get all melodramatic over it but it's been a vaguely troubling thought since I thought it. Is it really right that I am intrinsically less worthy to live than some random woman?

There is a double standard, but I see it more as: women are weak, fragile, and really not quite up to protecting themselves, so men have to do it for them. That strikes me as well intentioned but terribly condescending. I think it implies men are worth more than women, not less. Although, from the point of view of survival of the species, women really are worth more, at least reproductively. Ten women and one man could populate a desert island. Ten men and one woman... no way.

I'll give you this one. I wouldn't have hesitated to take one of the lifeboats off the Titanic, and I'm secretly grateful for the fact that I can't be drafted.

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 4:05:12 PM

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In the beginning almost all rap was either political or just for fun. Even if they spoke of violence there was a meaning behind it. Beginning with men like Kurtis Blow back in the very early 80's with hits like "If I Ruled the World."

'Cause we gotta stop war and use unity
To fight crime and hunger and poverty
'Cause the African baby is dyin' overseas
While you sucker mission politicians bustin' out Z's

Even NWA with hits like "Fuck The Police" were making a statement that we all should have heeded regarding the increase of police brutality.

So the police think they have the authority to kill a minority
searching my car looking for the product
thinking every nigga is selling narcotics.
They put out my picture with silence
cause my identity by itself causes violence.

They were not anti-establishment or counter culture. Art was imitating life.

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 4:19:55 PM

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I thought it was Moonhead. You're a candle in the wind along with your Tory chum Polite, oi?

Nobody says 'Oi' here, Ron. On the rare occasions that they do, it's spelt 'Oy', you bloody dimwit Septic.

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 4:21:47 PM

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It certainly wasnt women who were sending the men off to war.... or who had a hand in the draft etc, even when we got the vote,
Sexism as we now know it, maybe, but its men against men,
I have a sneaking suspicion that women like Florence nightingale and a million other women would have been part of wars in other capacities than drivers, nurses, munitions workers, teachers back int eh first world and second world war had they the choice. Both my grandmothers were of that generation and swore up and down about not being able to do more for their country, their children, their men.
Im willing to bet that had Princess Anne been groomed for queen as the eldest child, Her Maj would have retired many years ago, but being the eldest boy...Charles was doomed.
Regarding violence against women in music, theres tons of genres that have violent imagery, men will fight back, only psycho bitches retaliate so deserve to get smacked out..
Does anyone the remember the song called "small dicked man"??? the uproar that caused back in the early 90s? the poor guys were SOOOOOO offended that a woman could be so horrid to make a record about their manhood size. I know more than a few women got a black eye for singing it to their guys.

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RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men - 8/30/2013 4:35:24 PM

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Does anyone the remember the song called "small dicked man"??? the uproar that caused back in the early 90s? the poor guys were SOOOOOO offended that a woman could be so horrid to make a record about their manhood size. I know more than a few women got a black eye for singing it to their guys.

You mean the one that goes:

Don't want no short dicked man
itty bitty teeny weeny shriveled little short dicked man.
Don't want no short dicked man.

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