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ORIGINAL: BamaD
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ORIGINAL: Kana
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The Rules of war are a veneer to make war seem civilized.
We (the US) haven't had an enemy who followed them in over a century.
We (the US) haven't followed them in over a century.
Here.let me fix that for you.
The rules of war are a joke. Nobody follows them and for any American to come in and attempt to trumpet and take the high ground is an embarrassment.
We bombed Dresden. We firebombed Tokyo. We used Agent Orange and assassination squads in Nam. We point blank assassinated yamamoto. We have kill squads operating worldwide right now as we speak.We illegally wiretap our friends and enemies alike. We dropped the A bomb. We interned US Japanese in WW2. We massacred the Indians. Sherman was the man who invented modern war, war against the populace that removes the will to fight, to support the war effort.We've killed heads of state in Chile. We toppled Mossadeq and gave Iran to the Shah,along with training his torturers. We've supported dictators and corrupt regimes that massacre their own populaces (See Saddam and the kurds).
We staged the Gulk of Tonkin incident, the Maine incident and god knows how many others to provoke wars. The list goes on and on and on, ad infinitum.
The US doesn't have clean hands.Hasn't in ages. For us to try and take the high road to impress...well,I don't really know cuz the rest of the world sees us a lot clearer than we do, as the murdering bastards that we are...is pathetic.
The British Firebombed Dresden
The firebombing of Tokyo did more damage than both a bombs combined but Tokyo was not an open city the manufacturing in the city made it a legal target
We intercepted Yamamoto completely legit
The British installed the Shah
We rushed to war needlessly over the Maine but we did not blow it up to start the war
We helped Saddam against Iran, help one enemy kill another, learned that from the British
Indians give you that one
Internment camps bad move with reasonable intentions
Sherman, I live in the South so you will hear no defense of him from me
Johnson was lowlife scum, made Nixon look like a nice guy and Grant look competent
Grant was competent, he ended up winning the war..and ole Mars Lee was no genius, militarily he was a fucking moron who didn't learn lessons from another Virginian, Washington. Gettysburg was one of the most ill fought battles in military history (if the US had had Grant there, Lee's army would have been toast). Washington knew he didn't have the resources to beat a larger opponent, so he fought a Fabian strategy that ended up wearing the British out. Lee also was fortunate he faced McClellan early in the war, had he faced someone like Grant, his army would have been cooked at the Peninsual campaign..if Lee had been a genius, he would have fought the way washington did, instead of continually trying to invade the north.
Both the US and great britain firebombed dresden, that had no military value whatsoever.
Though in WWII, the idea of protecting civilians was a quaint relic of a bygone era, the Germans broke whatever truce there was in the Blitz and later the V1 and V2 campaign.
As far as the nuclear bombs on Japan, it would be nice if someone actually looked at the facts, the Japanese were warned that we had a much greater weapon, and they ignored it (not to mention they lost 1 million people in Tokyo from the firebombing), and take a look at the gap between Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and the government refused to surrender then, and it only surrendered after Nagasaki when the emperor (who should have been hung, pure and simple, he was no scared victim), finally saw the handwriting on the wall..and oh, yeah, there was an attempt at a mass kamikaze attack on the Missouri when the peace treaty was going to be signed, the emperors brother was able to stop it, but it was planned....put it this way, arguing the atomic bomb was unnecessary or a war crime is done from almost 70 years and not understanding the reality of what the war in the Pacific was like...Japan was royally fucked up, and that wasn't propaganda, and the Japanese themselves portray themselves as victims, they have whitewashed what they did pre and during WWII, but talk to anyone who fought there and they will tell you that not using the atomic balm would have sentenced a lot more people to death.
The Shah was installed by the US and British, and our CIA trained the Shah's secret police, and the CIA worked to keep him in power all those years.
Yamamoto was legitimate, he was an admiral, and we knew where he was from decoded traffic and went after him, military figures are not above being killed in war even admirals who have political duty.....
Trying to put white hats on any country is difficult, the US is like any other country, it at times is ruled by stupidity and fear, and we have lived to pay the price for those mistakes. Sure, it is easy to look at Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan and say "what a bunch of stinkers" or the USSR, but what you have to realize is the 'good guys' don't always do the right thing, either.......just read any of Le Carre' s books, for example.
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