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What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/5/2013 6:25:29 PM

tazzygirl

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Lets leave the snark at the door for a bit on this thread.

As much as people may not like the poster who typically discusses the problem's men are facing, he does have some valid points. So, lets list em. Cant discuss a problem without knowing what the problems are.

I agree that DV funding is terrible for men's DV shelters.

I agree that men are typically looked at as being predators while women get a blank pass.

I am not looking to pass blame here, just looking for a list of problems as both men and women see them. The reasons behind those problems - such as men are viewed as predators more than women because of stats - isnt what I am looking for at this point.

So, list away!

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/5/2013 7:03:08 PM

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In general, men are grossly incompetent at anything which doesn't involve running a corporation or killing something. There is no man in the world who can cook, clean, dress himself, tie his own shoes, or even survive on a day-to-day basis without a woman holding his hand. We are stupider than women and more base also. We have no emotions to speak of and even if we did, we wouldn't speak of them. We are unable to commit and uninterested in anything other than fucking anything with a skirt.

In terms of constrictive roles, our role hasn't changed much in forever. Women's role has expanded greatly but it is still unacceptable for a male to be a "house dad". You can't wear a skirt even if it's 110 degrees out (women wear slacks nowadays). Despite women's advances in the work place if we can't provide for our family we are failures.

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/5/2013 7:19:54 PM

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1) Men cant fend for themselves
2) Inability to commit
3) Communication skills lacking
4) Gender roles within the family havent changed for men
5) Men cant wear skirts

Do I have that list right?

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/5/2013 7:22:34 PM

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I'd reword 5.. the skirt thing was only an example. The larger issue is that the male role in society at large hasn't changed much while the female role has. How about:

4&5) Highly restrictive gender roles.

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/5/2013 7:26:17 PM

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quote:

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In general, men are grossly incompetent at anything which doesn't involve running a corporation or killing something. There is no man in the world who can cook, clean, dress himself, tie his own shoes, or even survive on a day-to-day basis without a woman holding his hand. We are stupider than women and more base also. We have no emotions to speak of and even if we did, we wouldn't speak of them. We are unable to commit and uninterested in anything other than fucking anything with a skirt.

Speak for yourself

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/5/2013 7:58:08 PM

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Works for me. I am trying to compile a list for discussion.. so.. for now... just a list would be great. I dont want to put a "feminist" slant on that list so I wanted clarification.

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/5/2013 8:05:21 PM

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/5/2013 8:10:29 PM

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Ok.. we can add that to the list

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/5/2013 8:13:01 PM

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OK, I'll be serious and toss a couple out.

1. Set-asides for so-called 'woman owned businesses'. I've seen a lot of them when I worked with a lot of government contracts and typically, the woman has nothing to do with the company.

A dude puts his wife's name as owner of his construction company and the next thing you know, he has more business from the government than he knows what to do with. (yes, I have seen this happen). With one I worked with frequently, his wife didn't even know her name was on the company letterhead.

Pure fraud and the guy pulled in millions in asbestos jobs from Dade county. what was the penalty when they finally got caught? the county just cut em off the bid list. what did they do? They dissolved the corporation, reincorporated under another name and moved up to Broward county to do the same shit.

2. Guilty until proven innocent if accused of anything inappropriate.

Female accuses male of impropriety....male's life is ruined...female withdraws or retracts complaint or is proven to be lying...no penalties whatsoever.

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/5/2013 8:13:09 PM

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Prostate cancer and BPH (enlarged prostate)

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/5/2013 8:14:37 PM

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Well, I don't know if it's really much of a problem, but getting killed in huge numbers in wars could be seen as a male problem. I don't want to whine, though.

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/5/2013 8:27:24 PM

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quote:

1. Set-asides for so-called 'woman owned businesses'.

So, no matching business incentives based upon gender.

quote:

2. Guilty until proven innocent if accused of anything inappropriate.

Female accuses male of impropriety....male's life is ruined...female withdraws or retracts complaint or is proven to be lying...no penalties whatsoever.

Got it

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/5/2013 8:29:13 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: angelikaJ

Prostate cancer and BPH (enlarged prostate)

quote:

Well, I don't know if it's really much of a problem, but getting killed in huge numbers in wars could be seen as a male problem.

Got em.

Whining, btw, is in the approach or the wording. I asked for a list of problems as many see them. I want to see how men view their world.

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/5/2013 8:32:27 PM

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Not that there isn't sexism against all genders/sexes, of course, but I've found that men tend to be discriminated against in divorce cases, especially in the past 10 to 20 years. They say it's fair, and even, and then the woman gets the kids, the house, the car, the bank account, and the power over the man's future. We're often considered to be the worst parent, even if we aren't the worst parent, if you know what I mean. You're a man? Well then the kids need to stay away from you. Your job is to make a lot of money and give it to the woman, who will spend it how she likes, tax free, and make all the decisions about the kids.
At least in Canada, anyway.

Hey, you asked. :p

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/5/2013 8:37:54 PM

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In general, men are grossly incompetent at anything which doesn't involve running a corporation or killing something. There is no man in the world who can cook, clean, dress himself, tie his own shoes, or even survive on a day-to-day basis without a woman holding his hand.

The only reason that I've had companionship in the last 20 years is because I could out-cook the lady. Not on every occasion, but I make an impression, nonetheless.

This is the sort of M/F competition that I am cut out for, and the woman that can answer back has my interest.

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/5/2013 8:38:10 PM

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Yep, I did ask. As I said... just compiling a list. This thread isnt to bash men for how they view things.

So, gender discrimination in divorce and custody matters

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/5/2013 8:40:19 PM

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A quick list:

1: Biased treatment in family court
2: Guilty until proven innocent (and frequently even beyond that) when accused of anything where a female or child might be a victim
3: Schools generally poorly designed for boys
4: Alimony
5: No fault divorce
6: The draft
7: Expected to pay for everything
8: Mental health & suicide
9: Shorter life expectancy
10: Birth control

Generally speaking, being expected (if not demanded) to sacrifice everything for the benefits or whims of others for nothing in return. To do it as 'it is our duty'. As well as getting negative insinuations if not particularly interested in embracing that duty as how things should be. ("Be a man", "Man up", etc)

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/5/2013 8:40:47 PM

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I think what encapsulates it for me is what used to happen when my class teacher took the register at junior school. She'd run through the males' surnames, then through the females' forenames. As boys, we were being trained to be tougher and colder, in readiness for the Great Competition, the race for the power and the goods in the world. A lot flows from that, in later life - we don't get ill, or at least we don't care about it, or even feel it; we don't get scared, so we're ready to fight - and we're strong, never weak. However 'weak' is to be defined. We wear ties to show that we're strong and straight, though to many of us they feel like nooses. Uniform is good; straightness is good. Terminator 2 is the ideal man, just as was the Stepford Wife the ideal woman. That about sums it up for me.

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/5/2013 8:41:25 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: angelikaJ

Prostate cancer and BPH (enlarged prostate)

I'm gonna play devils advocate and say that the sexes are about even on the gonad cancer thing. Guys don't have to worry about uterine cancer and woman don't have to worry about testicular or prostate cancer. Both get breast cancer but more women. Score that one even.

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/5/2013 8:44:47 PM

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I added what wasnt already on my list from yours. Questions if you dont mind. How do you see BC as a "men's" issue? Is it the limited choices to men?

And the shorter life expectancy? Is there something society can do to change that?

Mental health and suicide... again... is the expectation that society can change that as well?

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