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Male Superiority? - 9/8/2013 1:45:40 PM   
sexyred1


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Status: offline 		I never start threads, but someone wrote to me earlier and simply asked me if I was submissive because I believed in male superiority.

I don't hear about this very often, instead, we usually hear from submissive men who view women as superior.

I was curious to hear other submissive females and if this resonates with you at all.

For me, I do not believe males are superior, just as I do not view women as superior. My submissive nature is not because I view men as superior to me and I do not view my partners as superior to me.

Thoughts?
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RE: Male Superiority? - 9/8/2013 1:47:38 PM   
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I was curious to hear other submissive females and if this resonates with you at all.

Nope, wouldn't resonate with Carol. She thinks she prefers to defer. She has no need to make sweeping assertions across all of humanity... particularly not ones which are ridiculous.


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RE: Male Superiority? - 9/8/2013 1:49:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Isn't "male superiority" generally referred to as "the natural order" ? That actually comes up quite a bit on the forums.

Edited because I missed an apostrophe.

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RE: Male Superiority? - 9/8/2013 1:52:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		I find very few people - men or women - superior to me. I find many that are my equals and some that really ought to be slapped hard with the shitty end of the common sense/social graces stick.

In our M/s relationship, Master is not superior. He's the one who makes the choices and decisions because that's what we both prefer. He likes to be in charge of things, I can't be arsed lol

He's the leader, but that doesn't make him better than me, merely different.

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RE: Male Superiority? - 9/8/2013 1:54:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

quote:

ORIGINAL: sexyred1
I was curious to hear other submissive females and if this resonates with you at all.

Nope, wouldn't resonate with Carol. She thinks she prefers to defer. She has no need to make sweeping assertions across all of humanity... particularly not ones which are ridiculous.



I agree with Carol. I found the question ridiculous but was curious to hear if anyone felt that way regarding their particular submissive nature.

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RE: Male Superiority? - 9/8/2013 1:55:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MissToYouRedux

Isn't "male superiority" generally referred to as "the natural order" ? That actually comes up quite a bit on the forums.

Edited because I missed an apostrophe.


Does it come up often? I guess because I don't believe in the "natural order" I must have missed it. :)

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RE: Male Superiority? - 9/8/2013 1:58:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I find all references to any kind of superiority as a result of birth (gender, race, nationality) to be silly at best and frightening at worst.

Generally, those claiming superiority due to birth accidents could not claim it by any other means.

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RE: Male Superiority? - 9/8/2013 2:01:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Great point, DS. Accident of birth, right on.

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RE: Male Superiority? - 9/8/2013 2:05:10 PM   
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RE: Male Superiority? - 9/8/2013 2:11:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Male superiority is the natural order? Must be why I prefer the unnatural.

I'm not sub to Himself b/c he's superior due to his gender, but b/c he's superior as a person. He's just a better person than me, more compassionate, more stable, with firmer boundaries. He's the kind of person I want to be, but struggle with b/c of my personality. It's very much an individual thing.

Same thing with my sub. He doesn't think I'm superior b/c I am female, but because I can help him with personality issues he struggles with. This has everything to do with who he is and who I am, and nothing to do with gender

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RE: Male Superiority? - 9/8/2013 2:23:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		ChatteParfait, thanks for your input.

I think for me submission is so tied into my sexuality that it comes from a place where a man has to inspire it in from a deep place of passion. But not because he does anything better than me or is a good or better person.

I think that is a great reason though and one to think about.

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RE: Male Superiority? - 9/8/2013 2:48:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Anyone who believes in such a thing as male superiority simply needs to check out this thread to have that illusion shattered beyond belief.

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RE: Male Superiority? - 9/8/2013 2:54:07 PM   
DesFIP


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Status: offline 		Judging by the amount of really stupid men out there, certainly not.
To be fair, I hold the same views about women.

Basically, it's a miracle the human race has survived.

I've always put down being submissive to pediatric onset severe depression. I just don't have that much energy and need to use it carefully to get things done. Leaders tend to have more energy than I do, ime.

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RE: Male Superiority? - 9/8/2013 3:13:04 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sexyred1

I never start threads, but someone wrote to me earlier and simply asked me if I was submissive because I believed in male superiority.

I don't hear about this very often, instead, we usually hear from submissive men who view women as superior.

I was curious to hear other submissive females and if this resonates with you at all.

For me, I do not believe males are superior, just as I do not view women as superior. My submissive nature is not because I view men as superior to me and I do not view my partners as superior to me.

Thoughts?


I'll chime in here....

In a physical sense, yeah, men are on average bigger, stronger and faster than women. Hell, everyone except Hollywood knows that.

Me personally, I've never liked the word "superior", be it gender comparison or D/s dynamic. But yeah, I hear the word a lot around here, mostly from male/sub posts.

My girl is outranked in the relationship, but she's NEVER inferior to me. She provides or enables 50% of the D/s relationship dynamic, same as me. And her physical attributes while not the same as mine, also complement that which I provide. eg, one of the rules is that *I* do any heavy lifting - simple, sensible physics.

I think one of the troubles with acknowledging a ranking system is that we inevitably associate military ranks, which does indeed refer to those higher up the chain as superiors. Though I don't think it works in reverse; the lower ranks aren't called inferiors...? Lol, typical double (or half?) standard.

The girl, or any woman, has her own gifts and doesn't need to mimic mine. Now someone tell Hollywood...!

Focus.

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RE: Male Superiority? - 9/8/2013 3:39:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		All the women I've had the pleasure to dominate have been more or less militant feminists. "Male supremacy" for them was either a bad joke or a political problem. They submitted to me because I was their Dom, not because I happen to have a Y chromosome.

I'm sure there are femsubs and doms who like to dress up their kink by believing that men are innately superior, just as there are malesubs and dommes who like to feel the same about women. I try not to argue with deeply held fantasies, but I don't have to share them.

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RE: Male Superiority? - 9/8/2013 4:10:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't view either gender as superior to me but I do believe there are some people who are superior to me, including Master.


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RE: Male Superiority? - 9/8/2013 4:35:15 PM   
slavekate80


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Status: offline 		No, I think men and women are basically equal. Sure, there are a few minor physical differences that one can observe over large populations, but that's not better/worse, that's just a matter of being different. I enjoy submitting to men and serving them, so I suppose that in intimate relationships (and no other kind of relationship) I tend to behave as if male superiority was a real thing, and it feels good to me. It's strictly a personal preference and not anything I'd want to impose on anyone else.

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RE: Male Superiority? - 9/8/2013 5:04:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sexyred1
Does it come up often? I guess because I don't believe in the "natural order" I must have missed it. :)

This comes up a lot more on the gorean boards but it does not equate to "superiority"... at least I don't think so. I think of it more like this. I'm a "natural born leader". Carol "prefers to defer". It is obviously the "natural order" that I lead and she follow. That's got nothing to do with superiority. It has to do with organizational structures and decision making strategies.

I am definitely A LOT more dominant than Carol. I just don't make the connection between "dominant" and "superior". Even worse, any viewpoint whatsoever that looks at the very competent, very capable, and very worthwhile woman I love and calls it "inferior" is just plain smokin crack. I know lots and lots of people who are dominant in any way you care to use the word that are definitely quite a bit inferior to Carol and several other very submissive people I've met.

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RE: Male Superiority? - 9/8/2013 9:15:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sexyred1
I think for me submission is so tied into my sexuality that it comes from a place where a man has to inspire it in from a deep place of passion. But not because he does anything better than me or is a good or better person.


Then what inspires it?

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RE: Male Superiority? - 9/9/2013 2:01:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think its odd to equate submission with inferiority. Submission can be strength, as can generosity.

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