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Lucylastic -> RE: US Navy Shootings. (9/16/2013 7:26:23 PM)
ok Jones says Jones promoted his Navy Yard shooting conspiracy theory on Twitter, writing, “Who will the Navy yard shooting be blamed on? Terrorist? Tea Partier? Leftist? Lone nut?” Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/953330/navy-yard-shooting-conspiracy-theory-alex-jones-calls-incident-false-flag-attack/#PLDOyslfrqAyg3QZ.99 who else is there, pretty sure that its going to be SOMEONE they've released details on the one shooter...results are still sketchy but FFS false flag has to be the reason.... it has to right? fuck me sideways, no evidence, nothing but first response is now false flag They Know Yanno!!!!!!! My heart goes out to the (non existant*[8\|]) victims and their families.

PeonForHer -> RE: US Navy Shootings. (9/16/2013 7:33:30 PM)
Well, I hope they get to the bottom of this one ASAP. Jeez.

DomKen -> RE: US Navy Shootings. (9/16/2013 8:25:22 PM)
Words fail me. To all my shipmates in the USN and all those affected in DC know that you are all in my thoughts today.

DaddySatyr -> RE: US Navy Shootings. (9/17/2013 1:30:14 AM)
My heart-felt condolences to the fallen and the ones who love them. It's too bad that these bastards don't realize that they're aiming the weapons the wrong way, when they do shit like this.

Politesub53 -> RE: US Navy Shootings. (9/17/2013 2:04:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 This got locked in one page? Is that some sort of record? Anyway back to the point, the tin foil hat crowd has struck with this: Washington Shipyard shooting a false flag operation WTF is wrong with these people........ An edited and obviously spliced video and the guy tries to claims its a false flag operation.

jlf1961 -> RE: US Navy Shootings. (9/17/2013 4:40:22 AM)
Getting back to the shooting itself, according to CNN Navy Yard shooting: What we know and don't know First it seems the mayor and police chief are not on the same page, the mayor says they are still looking for a second suspect, the police chief says it was a lone gunman. Second all the names of the dead have not been released, which could be because they have not found the next of kin, so they are withholding the names. Third, how in the hell did he get three weapons past security at the building where he started shooting?♦

DomKen -> RE: US Navy Shootings. (9/17/2013 5:53:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Third, how in the hell did he get three weapons past security at the building where he started shooting?♦ He drove on to the base using an ID card with the shotgun, presumably hidden. When he entered the building he apparently immediately shot the guard took his sidearm and then got the AR-15 from the guard post or at least that is what I'm hearing.

Kirata -> RE: US Navy Shootings. (9/17/2013 7:24:05 AM)
~ FR ~ So we have yet another mass killing of helpless people in a gun-free zone, and yet another case of somebody who was one cup short of a tea set with prior indications finally killing somebody. Since 1993, under Clinton, military personnel have been forbidden from carrying firearms on base absent “a credible and specific threat.” Meanwhile, Alexis was arrested in 2004 for shooting out the tires of a car owned by a guy he considered to have "dissed" him. And he was arrested again in 2010 for firing through his ceiling into the apartment of a woman above him whom he felt made too much "noise". Duh, problem here? K.

Nosathro -> RE: US Navy Shootings. (9/17/2013 7:58:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata ~ FR ~ So we have yet another mass killing in a gun-free zone, and yet another case of somebody who was one cup short of a tea set with prior indications finally killing somebody. Since 1993, under Clinton, military personnel have been forbidden from carrying firearms on base absent “a credible and specific threat.” Meanwhile, Alexis was arrested in 2004 for shooting out the tires of a car owned by a guy he considered to have "dissed" him. And he was arrested again in 2010 for firing through his ceiling into the apartment of a woman above him whom he felt made too much "noise". Duh, problem here? K. I think I already informed you that the gun free zone act applied to schools. And long before Clinton was president guns were strictly controlled on military as well as other Federal instillations. I wonder if a background check would have prevented this, oh I forgot a background check would violate Aaron Alexis, the shooter in this, 2nd Amendment rights. It has also been reported that Alexis had been treated for paranoia. I understand that pro gun want action taken on these "crazies", like Cho, Holmes, Lanza, and Loughner etc, take heart with this incident perhaps Ted Cruz (R-TX) and Chuck Grassley (R-IA) will reintroduce the NRA backed bill that would all that would have let people who have been involuntarily committed to psychiatric hospitals buy guns immediately after their release from the hospital. After all Alexis was from Texas, you know that pro gun State. But then does all this matter? According to Alex Jones all this is just another conspiracy.[sm=rofl.gif] [image]local://upfiles/175252/5CBFA949164D4D069F646F3101F1EE14.jpg[/image]

Kirata -> RE: US Navy Shootings. (9/17/2013 8:15:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro I think I already informed you that the gun free zone act applied to schools. I respectfully disagree. Taking "inform" to be an English word meaning "to give or impart knowledge," I can confidently say that you have never imparted to me any knowledge relevant to any topic whatsoever, the present example being a case in point. K.

MasterCaneman -> RE: US Navy Shootings. (9/17/2013 8:19:58 AM)
I was in the service in the Reagan administration and military posts were considered "gun-free" zones. When we road-marched (fancy road for convoy of trucks), the chiefs would hand us a 20 rd magazine in case we were waylaid for our rifles. As soon as we hit the gates, mags went back and into the lockbox under his seat, and we had to lock up our weapons in the supply caravan. To this day it still makes no sense that our government shackles its warriors from protecting themselves on their own bases.

Lucylastic -> RE: US Navy Shootings. (9/17/2013 8:25:11 AM)
According to one report, the guns were bought in Virginia.... A federal law enforcement official said Monday that Alexis, who had been staying at a nearby Residence Inn since late August or early September, legally purchased at least some of the weapons used in the assault within the past few days in Virginia. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/09/16/navy-yard-shooting/2819543/?csp=breakingnews actually more than one report. Gun free zone thanks to ...CLINTON???? really?? So you are ok with everyone being able to carry guns, ...or just mentally fit ones?? and how do you test that??? oh wait....there are an awful lot of people out there with anger issues... just see some of the posts here. while I like the idea, theres an awful lot more people who would have illegal guns, cos"I aint crazy, Im just human". We see it everyday on gun threads. WHo would surrender their guns if they were found to be mentally unstable or have anger issues and refused a license or clearance? who would even turn up to be evaluated????? LOL 'Political Correctness' Targeted By Conservatives As Security Flaw NEW YORK -- Rep. Jason Chaffetz's (R-Utah) accusatory tweet is only one example of a meme now making its way through the conservative community: that somehow "political correctness" -- a refusal to judge employees, especially in the military -- is responsible for the Navy Yard shooting. Jason Chaffetz ✔ @jasoninthehouse Navy Yard- if security clearance stories are true it is infuriating. Government wide problem. Too PC. Lacks big pic perspective

Nosathro -> RE: US Navy Shootings. (9/17/2013 8:30:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro I think I already informed you that the gun free zone act applied to schools. I respectfully disagree. Taking "inform" to be an English word meaning "to give or impart knowledge," I can confidently say that you have never imparted to me any knowledge relevant to any topic whatsoever, the present example being a case in point. K. Here read... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun-Free_School_Zones_Act_of_1990 And yes you used the "gun free zone" excuse before during discussion on events like what happen at the Naval Yard. And as pointed out so many time, gun free zones do not enter into reasons why a shooter decides where. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/04/gun-free-zones-mass-shootings

Nosathro -> RE: US Navy Shootings. (9/17/2013 8:34:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman I was in the service in the Reagan administration and military posts were considered "gun-free" zones. When we road-marched (fancy road for convoy of trucks), the chiefs would hand us a 20 rd magazine in case we were waylaid for our rifles. As soon as we hit the gates, mags went back and into the lockbox under his seat, and we had to lock up our weapons in the supply caravan. To this day it still makes no sense that our government shackles its warriors from protecting themselves on their own bases. There are Federal Laws as well as Post Regulations. And remember as a soldier you are required to obey orders. This was common practice for good reason. And I was in the Army long before Reagan.

thompsonx -> RE: US Navy Shootings. (9/17/2013 8:35:01 AM)
quote: fuck me sideways, "Anytime baby"[;)]

thompsonx -> RE: US Navy Shootings. (9/17/2013 8:41:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman I was in the service in the Reagan administration and military posts were considered "gun-free" zones. When we road-marched (fancy road for convoy of trucks), the chiefs would hand us a 20 rd magazine in case we were waylaid for our rifles. As soon as we hit the gates, mags went back and into the lockbox under his seat, and we had to lock up our weapons in the supply caravan. To this day it still makes no sense that our government shackles its warriors from protecting themselves on their own bases. It is pretty simple really. On any given military base we have a whole shitpot full of teenage boys with access to firearms ammo and beer. The military in it's "infinite " wisdom thought this a poor combination. I was in the military under kennedy,johnson,nixon and all of the military bases I was on, both in the conus and out ,all weapons were locked in the armory and had to be checked out to be used or cleaned. Those charged with "protecting" the base have weapons and ammo. Those not charged with this responsibility do not carry loaded weapons as part of their daily gig.

MasterCaneman -> RE: US Navy Shootings. (9/17/2013 8:54:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman I was in the service in the Reagan administration and military posts were considered "gun-free" zones. When we road-marched (fancy road for convoy of trucks), the chiefs would hand us a 20 rd magazine in case we were waylaid for our rifles. As soon as we hit the gates, mags went back and into the lockbox under his seat, and we had to lock up our weapons in the supply caravan. To this day it still makes no sense that our government shackles its warriors from protecting themselves on their own bases. It is pretty simple really. On any given military base we have a whole shitpot full of teenage boys with access to firearms ammo and beer. The military in it's "infinite " wisdom thought this a poor combination. I was in the military under kennedy,johnson,nixon and all of the military bases I was on, both in the conus and out ,all weapons were locked in the armory and had to be checked out to be used or cleaned. Those charged with "protecting" the base have weapons and ammo. Those not charged with this responsibility do not carry loaded weapons as part of their daily gig. It was machts nichts to me, one less piece of shit I had to carry around. I was talking when we had to go off the reservation for training exercises. Things happen out there, even in the good ol' US of A. But not everybody on a military posts qualifies as a "drunken teenage private" (of which I proudly was one). What's wrong with letting E-5s and up pack heat? They've earned the trust and respect already. What's wrong with letting O types pack? Aside from the fact most are terrible shots, it's better than cowering inside a broom closet.

Rule -> RE: US Navy Shootings. (9/17/2013 8:59:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata So we have yet another mass killing of helpless people in a gun-free zone Concealed carry ought to be allowed everywhere. quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata and yet another case of somebody who was one cup short of a tea set I do not know about that. In any case there are lots of people who lack one or more mental faculties and usually they contribute to society. quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata Meanwhile, Alexis was arrested in 2004 for shooting out the tires of a car owned by a guy he considered to have "dissed" him. And he was arrested again in 2010 for firing through his ceiling into the apartment of a woman above him whom he felt made too much "noise". Duh, problem here? Shooting out a tire seems innocuous to me. As for firing through a ceiling into the apartment of a woman above who makes too much "noise" - I applaud that, as it makes eminent sense to me. Myself, I would like to have permission to fire a bazooka through my ceiling...

Kirata -> RE: US Navy Shootings. (9/17/2013 9:08:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro Here read... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun-Free_School_Zones_Act_of_1990 The point that escapes you is that the Gun Free School Zones Act has nothing to do with the topic or content of my post. quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro And as pointed out so many time, gun free zones do not enter into reasons why a shooter decides where. The point that escapes you is the difficulty of continuing an extended mass killing spree when your victims are armed. K.

MasterCaneman -> RE: US Navy Shootings. (9/17/2013 9:10:29 AM)
And they wouldn't have to have their weapons with them at all times. How hard is it to decentralize storage and have them near their work stations? Put a gunsafe in the CO's or chief NCO's office and you maintain control.

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