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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Considering what the navy has said about his service record, how did he get an honorable discharge?

As for his criminal record, he had no felony convictions which means he was a fine upstanding citizen.

I still want to know how he passed two security checkpoints with the weapons. I mean granted 90% of the navy plays with and on boats so they really dont have much to worry about except some other asshole with a plane, boat or missile but if they cant keep one nut job out of one of their bases with guns, put the marines in charge of security.

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ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman

And they wouldn't have to have their weapons with them at all times. How hard is it to decentralize storage and have them near their work stations? Put a gunsafe in the CO's or chief NCO's office and you maintain control.

The incident happened I believe at the commissary so it would not be near a company headquarters. So someone would have go back to the office and such.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

The point that escapes you is the difficulty of continuing an extended mass killing spree when your victims are armed.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata
So we have yet another mass killing of helpless people in a gun-free zone

Concealed carry ought to be allowed everywhere.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata
and yet another case of somebody who was one cup short of a tea set

I do not know about that. In any case there are lots of people who lack one or more mental faculties and usually they contribute to society.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata
Meanwhile, Alexis was arrested in 2004 for shooting out the tires of a car owned by a guy he considered to have "dissed" him. And he was arrested again in 2010 for firing through his ceiling into the apartment of a woman above him whom he felt made too much "noise". Duh, problem here?

Shooting out a tire seems innocuous to me. As for firing through a ceiling into the apartment of a woman above who makes too much "noise" - I applaud that, as it makes eminent sense to me. Myself, I would like to have permission to fire a bazooka through my ceiling...

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Considering what the navy has said about his service record, how did he get an honorable discharge?

As for his criminal record, he had no felony convictions which means he was a fine upstanding citizen.

I still want to know how he passed two security checkpoints with the weapons. I mean granted 90% of the navy plays with and on boats so they really dont have much to worry about except some other asshole with a plane, boat or missile but if they cant keep one nut job out of one of their bases with guns, put the marines in charge of security.

There is the National Disabilities Act as well as HIPPI. In both you can not discriminate against someone who has a disability, mental illness included. Further unless a wavier is signed medical records are confidential. So even the marines would not know.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

Here read...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun-Free_School_Zones_Act_of_1990

The point that escapes you is that the Gun Free School Zones Act has nothing to do with the topic or content of my post.

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

And as pointed out so many time, gun free zones do not enter into reasons why a shooter decides where.

The point that escapes you is the difficulty of continuing an extended mass killing spree when your victims are armed.

K.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Considering what the navy has said about his service record, how did he get an honorable discharge?

As for his criminal record, he had no felony convictions which means he was a fine upstanding citizen.

I still want to know how he passed two security checkpoints with the weapons. I mean granted 90% of the navy plays with and on boats so they really dont have much to worry about except some other asshole with a plane, boat or missile but if they cant keep one nut job out of one of their bases with guns, put the marines in charge of security.

There is the National Disabilities Act as well as HIPPI. In both you can not discriminate against someone who has a disability, mental illness included. Further unless a wavier is signed medical records are confidential. So even the marines would not know.

I am referring to the fact that he managed to get 3 weapons, one of them a shotgun, past two security check points. Sorry but a shotgun kinda sticks out and is noticeable.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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Virginia is one of the states that does not require the shrink to report the fact of treatment so he, like the Va tech shooter slipped through when he wouldn't in most states.

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According to one report, the guns were bought in Virginia....
A federal law enforcement official said Monday that Alexis, who had been staying at a nearby Residence Inn since late August or early September, legally purchased at least some of the weapons used in the assault within the past few days in Virginia.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/09/16/navy-yard-shooting/2819543/?csp=breakingnews
actually more than one report.
Gun free zone thanks to ...CLINTON???? really?? So you are ok with everyone being able to carry guns, ...or just mentally fit ones?? and how do you test that??? oh wait....there are an awful lot of people out there with anger issues... just see some of the posts here. while I like the idea, theres an awful lot more people who would have illegal guns, cos"I aint crazy, Im just human". We see it everyday on gun threads.
WHo would surrender their guns if they were found to be mentally unstable or have anger issues and refused a license or clearance? who would even turn up to be evaluated?????
LOL

'Political Correctness' Targeted By Conservatives As Security Flaw
NEW YORK -- Rep. Jason Chaffetz's (R-Utah) accusatory tweet is only one example of a meme now making its way through the conservative community: that somehow "political correctness" -- a refusal to judge employees, especially in the military -- is responsible for the Navy Yard shooting.
Jason Chaffetz ✔ @jasoninthehouse

Navy Yard- if security clearance stories are true it is infuriating. Government wide problem. Too PC. Lacks big pic perspective

How, with a criminal record did he get the guns legally?
How, with a criminal record did he get the clearances to have the job?
Something smells big time.

Without a felony conviction he could have gotten both. From what I can find he had no convictions.

Are you kidding I once had my clearances pulled for getting marriage counseling.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Well, they have already implemented the ACA then. Because they will slip through. Unless a doctor will violate the law as his contribution to; and protection of, society at large, and the patient.

I don't know about medical doctors, but psychotherapists have a duty to warn. The privilege of confidentiality ends where public peril begins.

K.

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

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ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman

And they wouldn't have to have their weapons with them at all times. How hard is it to decentralize storage and have them near their work stations? Put a gunsafe in the CO's or chief NCO's office and you maintain control.

The incident happened I believe at the commissary so it would not be near a company headquarters. So someone would have go back to the office and such.

Didn't this all happen inside a single building? I was a field soldier, so I don't know much about how they organize sections based inside buildings, but there'd have to be someone close to a locker (if they had them, that is).

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Considering what the navy has said about his service record, how did he get an honorable discharge?

As for his criminal record, he had no felony convictions which means he was a fine upstanding citizen.

I still want to know how he passed two security checkpoints with the weapons. I mean granted 90% of the navy plays with and on boats so they really dont have much to worry about except some other asshole with a plane, boat or missile but if they cant keep one nut job out of one of their bases with guns, put the marines in charge of security.

There is the National Disabilities Act as well as HIPPI. In both you can not discriminate against someone who has a disability, mental illness included. Further unless a wavier is signed medical records are confidential. So even the marines would not know.

I am referring to the fact that he managed to get 3 weapons, one of them a shotgun, past two security check points. Sorry but a shotgun kinda sticks out and is noticeable.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

He had the shotgun in his car when he came through the gate. He shot the guard at the building checkpoint and took his weapons, the handgun and the rifle.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Well, they have already implemented the ACA then. Because they will slip through. Unless a doctor will violate the law as his contribution to; and protection of, society at large, and the patient.

I don't know about medical doctors, but psychotherapists have a duty to warn. The privilege of confidentiality ends where public peril begins.

K.

Only if the patient makes a threatening statement. And that we don't know if he did.

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

Secondly in a shoot at a mall in Oregon I believe, a person did have a gun, he decided not to shoot, to many people in the way. With every one with gun shooting, more people would have been killed.

I remember that case. Funny you should mention that one, since it demonstrates that CCW permit-holders are not trigger-happy jackasses. It also demonstrates another fact, namely, that sometimes you don't have to fire. As soon as the shooter saw that there was an armed fish in that barrel, he decided to forego trying kill any more of them and proceeded instead to the final step in his plan: He shot himself.

K.

Only in the aforementioned case. Montenez/Rivera did have a CCW permit and was convicted and is now in a Florida Prison.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Well, they have already implemented the ACA then. Because they will slip through. Unless a doctor will violate the law as his contribution to; and protection of, society at large, and the patient.

I don't know about medical doctors, but psychotherapists have a duty to warn. The privilege of confidentiality ends where public peril begins.

K.

Only if the patient makes a threatening statement. And that we don't know if he did.