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What part of "REALITY" don't Liberals understand? You cannot give everyone, everything and think it is all going to work out. Forget what education Greece, Spain, etc, etc, etc. got from Liberal ideas. The latest CBO figures show our spending is unstainable.

Perhaps the cost of the adventure in the sand box is too costly?

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Our economy is phony and being propped up by the government printing 85 billion a month out of thin air. The only reason other countries need our dollars is because it is the "international currency" Russia and China are making deals with other countries that don't require purchases between countries in US dollars. When enough countries agree to this, we are screwed and the dollar will become almost worthless. Buy silver and gold to cover your ass when the shit hits the fan.

Is there some econ book that we could look at to validate this mindnumbing stupid opinion?

Papassion is right that the role of the dollar in international currency has declined over the last ten years. Google it.

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Probably not. Why are costs going up? We have the most expensive healthcare in the world, with a middling outcome. Where is the money going? It is not going to outcome.

Why are costs going up?
Huge health care conglomerates are raising prices.

Is this something new or is this pretty much old news?

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Because there are too few doctor's offices competing.

Doesn't the ama limits the number of doctors in the u.s.?

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because federal regulations means the average cost of delivering a new drug in the us exceed 700 million.

Which part of that protocol would you like to see removed?

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because threat of tort action makes doctors practice defensive medicine.

Should incompetet doctors be protected from torts?

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because consumers have no incentive to shop for the best price/services. Since they don't pay for it, they go for the "best" care.

Why should anyone seek less than the best care?

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because hospitals pass the costs of the uninsured onto those that are insured, or pay cash.

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And none of these things is obamacare resolving.

The aca also does not address global warming,the escalating cost of fuel,or hunger in apalachia

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

I would allow corporations that agree to caps on executive salary, and that reduced prices to the american public to pay no corporate taxes.

The most mindnumbingly stupid thing I have heard all day.

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Nonetheless it was passed with several bold proclamations
If you liked your healthcare - you could keep it (false)
It would control the cost of healthcare - (false)
It would reduce the number of uninsured (false)

Since it won't do any of thses things.. one wonders what it was passed for.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Why are costs going up?
Huge health care conglomerates are raising prices.

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It is very much new news, because obamacare is accelerating the trend dramatically. Doctors are selling out of individual practices and becoming employees of hospitals etc.

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And it is a conscious design choice of the legislation.

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Because there are too few doctor's offices competing.

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you're arguing with me when I am saying the same thing as you?

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because federal regulations means the average cost of delivering a new drug in the us exceed 700 million.

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necessary fixes to that system has taken books and books. Some I've read. We will make no hay discussing it here.

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because threat of tort action makes doctors practice defensive medicine.

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Never said that.

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However when the medical procedures as a whole are proscribed merely to avoid the prospect of litigation, its a problem

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because consumers have no incentive to shop for the best price/services. Since they don't pay for it, they go for the "best" care.

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Because you can't afford it. duh.

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because hospitals pass the costs of the uninsured onto those that are insured, or pay cash.
And none of these things is obamacare resolving.

The aca also does not address global warming,the escalating cost of fuel,or hunger in apalachia

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Nonetheless it was passed with several bold proclamations
If you liked your healthcare - you could keep it (false)

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It would control the cost of healthcare - (false)

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It would reduce the number of uninsured (false)

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Since it won't do any of thses things.. one wonders what it was passed for.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Huge health conglomerates...............yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaassssssss.

More evidence that the hands off approach to capitalism does not work, since the outcome will be lack of competition as the predators (not the best merchandise, not the best service, not the most altruistic) will gobble competition and destroy free markets.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
But what part of 'Reality' don't 'conservatives' understand? They are borrowing and spending at massively destructive levels.

With medical costs at a ridiculous amount now, Obamacare is not the answer!

OK, we have the most expensive health care in the world and it's about #20 when it comes to quality.
What's the answer?
Unfortunately, the R controlled house has no clue.

While more people will be covered under Obamacare, the most expensive health care in the world will be getting even more expensive. That was what the Forbes' article pointed out.

What you said has absolutely nothing to do with my post.

I wasn't, nor have I ever advocated Obamacare.

My post was about the problem the R side has with running around yelling "this is bad, this is horrible" without offering up anything resembling an alternative.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
Point = Totally Missed
I didn't say they weren't trying to do those things, I said it was not their #1 priority.
Their stated #1 priority was 'to make the president a 1 termer'.
In January of '09, there were at least 100 things more important to the country than that but "One Term President" was the #1 priority. instead of:
running the country
getting us out of the sandbox
creating jobs
lowering the deficit
making Americans safe from terrorists.
fixing the decrepit infrastructure
C'mon man, you have much better reading comprehension than that.
You said they were and are trying to run the country. Are you sure you didn't simply make a typo and misspell 'ruin'?

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OH, that is pure knowing lie. Look, if they can repeal it 42 times they can pass a tort reform bill, (and it is not an alternative to obamacare) since a 2% lessening of cost due to insurance doesnt get anyone insured, is alot like an alternative in saying to overcome the difficulties with lighter than air dirigibles and explosive hydrogen, we could use cement instead.

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OH, that is pure knowing lie. Look, if they can repeal it 42 times they can pass a tort reform bill, (and it is not an alternative to obamacare) since a 2% lessening of cost due to insurance doesnt get anyone insured, is alot like an alternative in saying to overcome the difficulties with lighter than air dirigibles and explosive hydrogen, we could use cement instead.

Neither a tort reform bill nor a repeal passes the senate. In fact, the house passed a tort reform bill back in march? april? 2012.

Predictably killed in senate by the dimocrats at the behest of their lawyer contributors.

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That is absolute, complete, total and utter BS. The R side of the House can pass any/all bills they want but unless the D side of the Senate and the D in White House agree it's all for naught and you know it. Even assuming TORT REFORM would only decrease the average cost of insurance 2% that's many times over better than Obamacare increasing the average cost of insurance 25% or more, never-mind completely eliminating employer provided/subsidized insurance and full-time jobs in many cases.

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So fucking what?
That others might value their goods and services in a manner not denominated in dollars does not devalue the dollar...only our printing presses can do that.
Why is that a reason to go to fucking war?

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#1 - No currency-conversion-based transaction costs on international commodity transactions. International Commodity markets prices are set in the currency of the reserve currency. As such, all transactions through the Commodity market are conducted in the reserve currency. Exchanging one's currency into the reserve currency incurrs a small transaction cost. This transaction cost is incurred by all, save for the nation which issues the reserve currency: since no currency exchange occurs prior to the transaction, no transaction costs are incurred.

#2 - Marginally improved Sovereign Credit due to externally inflated currency demand. Since other nations hold the reserve currency, the market for the reserve currency is larger than if it were not the reserve currency. As such, Sovereign Bonds which pay out in the reserve currency are in higher demand (than they would be if the issuing country's sovereign currency was not the reserve currency), which drive down the interest rate paid on those bonds, resulting in a lower "Cost of Credit".

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Obamcare does not increase the average cost of insurance 25% or more. That's fucking stupid.

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If you liked your healthcare - you could keep it (false)

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It would control the cost of healthcare - (false)

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It would reduce the number of uninsured (false)

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