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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I suppose this are not the value accepted by the majority of people composing your society, it's just that some are exploiting the weakness of your individualism forming organized groups.

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Predictable statist view. 

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

When is the last time there was a thread on here about a self defense case where you said one word in defense of the man protecting himself or his family.
Now tell me again how nobody goes after the person who defends himself.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I suppose this are not the value accepted by the majority of people composing your society, it's just that some are exploiting the weakness of your individualism forming organized groups.

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Predictable statist view. 

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ORIGINAL: eulero83

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

When is the last time there was a thread on here about a self defense case where you said one word in defense of the man protecting himself or his family.
Now tell me again how nobody goes after the person who defends himself.

Because the cases that happens to be reported are always borderline in legal and moral terms! Otherwise there would be no reason to discuss them! If there was an article saying: "intuder gets killed in victim home/shop" I would say nothing against the home owner! But when it is about a moron that goes outside and shoots at every car passing by than no I'm not cool with that!

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ORIGINAL: eulero83

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I suppose this are not the value accepted by the majority of people composing your society, it's just that some are exploiting the weakness of your individualism forming organized groups.

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Predictable statist view. 

I'm not a statist, I'm very far from that, but nor I have a fetish for the wild west. Anyway keep your gangs so to not seem socialist and have fun.

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ORIGINAL: eulero83

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I suppose this are not the value accepted by the majority of people composing your society, it's just that some are exploiting the weakness of your individualism forming organized groups.

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Predictable statist view. 

I'm not a statist, I'm very far from that, but nor I have a fetish for the wild west. Anyway keep your gangs so to not seem socialist and have fun.

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ORIGINAL: eulero83

I answer in a single post, criminals want money and organized crime secure its source of money by controlling the territory, three things make it easier for them: individualism of people that think they can defend by their own and don't care about others, easy access to guns and a low rate of uniformed police officers patrolling the streets, than social degrade is fertile ground for the growing of new criminals, as you said that kind of distorted values exist only in that subcultures but there must be a reason if people end to accept that rules.

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ORIGINAL: eulero83

I answer in a single post, criminals want money and organized crime secure its source of money by controlling the territory, three things make it easier for them: individualism of people that think they can defend by their own and don't care about others, easy access to guns and a low rate of uniformed police officers patrolling the streets, than social degrade is fertile ground for the growing of new criminals, as you said that kind of distorted values exist only in that subcultures but there must be a reason if people end to accept that rules.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I suppose this are not the value accepted by the majority of people composing your society, it's just that some are exploiting the weakness of your individualism forming organized groups.

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Predictable statist view. 

Is anything that looks 'anti-individualist' to be consigned into the 'statist dustbin'? What about communities? There are entities that are bigger than individuals but smaller than the State.

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ORIGINAL: eulero83

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

When is the last time there was a thread on here about a self defense case where you said one word in defense of the man protecting himself or his family.
Now tell me again how nobody goes after the person who defends himself.

Because the cases that happens to be reported are always borderline in legal and moral terms! Otherwise there would be no reason to discuss them! If there was an article saying: "intuder gets killed in victim home/shop" I would say nothing against the home owner! But when it is about a moron that goes outside and shoots at every car passing by than no I'm not cool with that!

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I suppose this are not the value accepted by the majority of people composing your society, it's just that some are exploiting the weakness of your individualism forming organized groups.

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Predictable statist view. 

Is anything that looks 'anti-individualist' to be consigned into the 'statist dustbin'? What about communities? There are entities that are bigger than individuals but smaller than the State.

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ORIGINAL: EdBowie

A low rate of uniformed police officers patrolling the street???? How low, exactly?

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ORIGINAL: eulero83

I answer in a single post, criminals want money and organized crime secure its source of money by controlling the territory, three things make it easier for them: individualism of people that think they can defend by their own and don't care about others, easy access to guns and a low rate of uniformed police officers patrolling the streets, than social degrade is fertile ground for the growing of new criminals, as you said that kind of distorted values exist only in that subcultures but there must be a reason if people end to accept that rules.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: eulero83

I answer in a single post, criminals want money and organized crime secure its source of money by controlling the territory, three things make it easier for them: individualism of people that think they can defend by their own and don't care about others, easy access to guns and a low rate of uniformed police officers patrolling the streets, than social degrade is fertile ground for the growing of new criminals, as you said that kind of distorted values exist only in that subcultures but there must be a reason if people end to accept that rules.

Yet another misrepresentation, I know of know one who wants to take on the gangs without the police, but we want to be able to defend ourselves while we are waiting for them to show up.
And the assertion that people who want to defend themselves don't care about others is ridiculous.
But you are one of those who while you don't even realize it want us to hide in our homes while hearing our neighbor s being raped or murdered.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: eulero83

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

When is the last time there was a thread on here about a self defense case where you said one word in defense of the man protecting himself or his family.
Now tell me again how nobody goes after the person who defends himself.

Because the cases that happens to be reported are always borderline in legal and moral terms! Otherwise there would be no reason to discuss them! If there was an article saying: "intuder gets killed in victim home/shop" I would say nothing against the home owner! But when it is about a moron that goes outside and shoots at every car passing by than no I'm not cool with that!

Another example of how you will believe a anti gun blog over a judge.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I suppose this are not the value accepted by the majority of people composing your society, it's just that some are exploiting the weakness of your individualism forming organized groups.

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Predictable statist view. 

Is anything that looks 'anti-individualist' to be consigned into the 'statist dustbin'? What about communities? There are entities that are bigger than individuals but smaller than the State.

Get real you know that being a community does not mean being anti individual.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I suppose this are not the value accepted by the majority of people composing your society, it's just that some are exploiting the weakness of your individualism forming organized groups.

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Predictable statist view. 

Is anything that looks 'anti-individualist' to be consigned into the 'statist dustbin'? What about communities? There are entities that are bigger than individuals but smaller than the State.

You seem to have confused individualism with anarchism

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ORIGINAL: eulero83

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: eulero83

it downloads a document from the united nations you can see it checking the link address by the way it's also on wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

the other link, the one for the race based stats, is from the us department if justice

Nice link but it doesn't say anywhere that people in the US kill 5 times as many as those in Europe.

if the intentional homicide rate in the US is 4.7 and the average rate in european union is 1 then it says that people in US kills 4.7 times more than people in EU