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RE: For gun owners, what is your favorite. Not a gun co... - 10/10/2013 12:15:29 PM   
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I have a Purdey side-by-side 12 gauge that I treasure.

Not that I'd be allowed a handgun unless I had some special permission, but if I did it would be a Glock.


Nice shout. Some Purdeys are not so much a gun, as a work of art.


Is it one of those old school English arms, many are too pretty to shoot.

And since a lot of areas require steel shot, you'd probably destroy the bores on them. Still, pretty or not, it would be a mark of distinction to have one of those in the crook of your arm on opening day.

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RE: For gun owners, what is your favorite. Not a gun co... - 10/10/2013 12:18:05 PM   
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RE: For gun owners, what is your favorite. Not a gun co... - 10/10/2013 12:20:28 PM   
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Threadjack!

My brother just invented a new stock for the Mossberg 500. It has pneumatic and mechanical recoil dampening. Here's the kicker: It takes about 1 second to convert it from a full size stock to a pistol grip. We expect the prototype to be finished this week and I am already drooling over getting my hands on it.

I've seen his designs and I cannot find any weak points or flaws in it.

So I have a question: is there any interest in a convertible like this? I can only see it being useful for cops or military; no one goes wing shooting with a pistol grip shotgun.

Not necessarily so. Home defense springs to mind, followed shortly thereafter by Mall Ninjas. It all depends on its price point and how many points of failure can crop up. The more parts something has, the more expensive it becomes and things that break. I can see the recoil-dampening feature as a plus, but your brother should do a patent search before trying to market it, because it's not a new idea.

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RE: For gun owners, what is your favorite. Not a gun co... - 10/10/2013 12:29:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		The only gun I still own is a Henry .30/30. I kept it over the Winchester .30-06 because I like shooting it more. I found that either was effective against deer at the ranges I hunt at so I kept the one I liked more.

Ammo for it is up to almost $1 per round so I don't go to the range as often as I used to. I might see if my cousin wants to part with one of his .22LR just for target shooting.

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RE: For gun owners, what is your favorite. Not a gun co... - 10/10/2013 12:33:10 PM   
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Threadjack!

My brother just invented a new stock for the Mossberg 500. It has pneumatic and mechanical recoil dampening. Here's the kicker: It takes about 1 second to convert it from a full size stock to a pistol grip. We expect the prototype to be finished this week and I am already drooling over getting my hands on it.

I've seen his designs and I cannot find any weak points or flaws in it.

So I have a question: is there any interest in a convertible like this? I can only see it being useful for cops or military; no one goes wing shooting with a pistol grip shotgun.

Not necessarily so. Home defense springs to mind, followed shortly thereafter by Mall Ninjas. It all depends on its price point and how many points of failure can crop up. The more parts something has, the more expensive it becomes and things that break. I can see the recoil-dampening feature as a plus, but your brother should do a patent search before trying to market it, because it's not a new idea.

I've never really seen the point for collapsing or folding stocks in civilian use but any sort of recoil dampening on a shotgun could be desirable. Although as you said I'm pretty sure I've seen a recoil dampening shotgun stock somewhere before.

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RE: For gun owners, what is your favorite. Not a gun co... - 10/10/2013 12:45:39 PM   
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I've never really seen the point for collapsing or folding stocks in civilian use but any sort of recoil dampening on a shotgun could be desirable. Although as you said I'm pretty sure I've seen a recoil dampening shotgun stock somewhere before.


The recoil dampening is not new. It's the conversion that is new. It's currently patent pending.

I, myself, have never seen the point of a pistol grip on a shotty. The last time I fired one I nearly knocked my own teeth out. The market suggests that there is a large amount of people that like pistol grips on their Mossbergs. I think the initial market is for police; you can have one shotgun in your car that can quickly become another kind if you need to change your tactics. I am quite happy with my 97. Hell, it was designed by JMB himself. As much as I love my brother he ain't the patron saint of firearms.

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RE: For gun owners, what is your favorite. Not a gun co... - 10/10/2013 1:01:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not a gun question, but a deer question. Can anyone explain the DEC's reasoning? Doe permits are still easily available but now you can't shoot a buck unless it has 3 points per side. Makes no sense to me. Although juniors (12 - 18) can take anything.

Oh and since there's a bear living in the back of my property, what are the odds that the guys who hunt here can drop it with the same thing they're using for deer. Bear weigh three times as much, don't they need a bigger gun?

I'd rather they left it alone then annoy the hell out of it.

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RE: For gun owners, what is your favorite. Not a gun co... - 10/10/2013 1:19:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nah, you can take a bear, or a moose with a .22 if you are excellent in marksmanship. You hit a bear in the heart with a deer rifle or a slug......it will drop.

I expect that the younger bucks are not wanting to be hunted so there is deer jizz for future generations, nobody wants grampa humping the does with his knobbed up and unvirile sperm, but wants the deer to get in there and get fawns. Now the younger bucks are less aware of whats up than the older ones, and are more likely to forego any social and political concerns to get that doe pussy, much like the young men hereabouts. So, having them around the shots alot and putting some fear of god into them helps the herd survive and procreate.

Does? Any one of them whores is capable of dropping one, two, and three fawns. And in that you are unlikely to take them all out, the herd survives.

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RE: For gun owners, what is your favorite. Not a gun co... - 10/10/2013 1:19:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		I used to have a Maverick 88 (essentially a budget 500) with a pistol grip. While not a hunting tool by any means, I was able to dust clay targets with it enough to say I could probably get by. And I think Mossberg already has the Flex version of the 500, which (if I recall correctly) offers a quick-change option for stocks and barrels, as well as recoil moderation.

DomKen: Get a Lee Basic reloader. It's about 25 bucks and contains everything you need to bring the per-round cost back to around 10-25 cents. You can even use cast-lead bullets in it or even 00 buck if it's been sized (which happens when you load it anyway). A guy at my club uses that to make squib loads for indoor practice and pest control. And I agree with you on using a folding stock on a shotgun. They're a compromise at best, and tend to bruise my pretty face when I fire them. I stuck one on an 870 and ended up getting rid of it. But a pistol grip with a conventional stock works pretty well for me.

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RE: For gun owners, what is your favorite. Not a gun co... - 10/10/2013 1:35:32 PM   
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Not a gun question, but a deer question. Can anyone explain the DEC's reasoning? Doe permits are still easily available but now you can't shoot a buck unless it has 3 points per side. Makes no sense to me. Although juniors (12 - 18) can take anything.

Oh and since there's a bear living in the back of my property, what are the odds that the guys who hunt here can drop it with the same thing they're using for deer. Bear weigh three times as much, don't they need a bigger gun?

I'd rather they left it alone then annoy the hell out of it.


The reasoning behind the limit is that they are trying to maintain the state deer herd at a certain level. It may or may not work.

As for the bear, you live in New York. If licenses are available I'll be happy to take care of your ursine issues. Getting licenses may be difficult, depending on what part of NY you live in. In Syracuse it wouldn't be an issue, if you live in Manhattan it could be a little problematic.

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RE: For gun owners, what is your favorite. Not a gun co... - 10/10/2013 1:53:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Many grouse and pheasant could stand testament to my Purdey's field experience.

Well, they could stand testament if they hadn't been eaten.

I had always scoffed at the cost of Purdeys, my first gun was a brand new Beretta. Then some bastard let me shoot his Purdey and that was it.

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RE: For gun owners, what is your favorite. Not a gun co... - 10/10/2013 1:59:34 PM   
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Many grouse and pheasant could stand testament to my Purdey's field experience.

Well, they could stand testament if they hadn't been eaten.

I had always scoffed at the cost of Purdeys, my first gun was a brand new Beretta. Then some bastard let me shoot his Purdey and that was it.


I never would have had you as the type, Crazy.

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RE: For gun owners, what is your favorite. Not a gun co... - 10/10/2013 2:04:57 PM   
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I've never really seen the point for collapsing or folding stocks in civilian use but any sort of recoil dampening on a shotgun could be desirable. Although as you said I'm pretty sure I've seen a recoil dampening shotgun stock somewhere before.


The recoil dampening is not new. It's the conversion that is new. It's currently patent pending.

I, myself, have never seen the point of a pistol grip on a shotty. The last time I fired one I nearly knocked my own teeth out. The market suggests that there is a large amount of people that like pistol grips on their Mossbergs. I think the initial market is for police; you can have one shotgun in your car that can quickly become another kind if you need to change your tactics. I am quite happy with my 97. Hell, it was designed by JMB himself. As much as I love my brother he ain't the patron saint of firearms.

I used to own a 10 gauge shotgun with a pistol grip. It was pretty rough on the hands but I've fired 12 gauges with just a pistol grip with little trouble.

The point of the pistol grip is speed on target and portability.

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RE: For gun owners, what is your favorite. Not a gun co... - 10/10/2013 2:09:24 PM   
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Not a gun question, but a deer question. Can anyone explain the DEC's reasoning? Doe permits are still easily available but now you can't shoot a buck unless it has 3 points per side. Makes no sense to me. Although juniors (12 - 18) can take anything.

They're trying to manage the herd to produce more trophy bucks and keep the population under control.

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Oh and since there's a bear living in the back of my property, what are the odds that the guys who hunt here can drop it with the same thing they're using for deer. Bear weigh three times as much, don't they need a bigger gun?

As long as they don't shoot at its head and shoot it at a reasonable range a black bear should go down from any deer rifle. Bear skulls are notoriously tough so shooting it in the head with anything would be unwise.

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RE: For gun owners, what is your favorite. Not a gun co... - 10/10/2013 2:12:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Shooting bear inaccurately is also unwise. They are easy to upset.

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RE: For gun owners, what is your favorite. Not a gun co... - 10/10/2013 2:25:10 PM   
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RE: For gun owners, what is your favorite. Not a gun co... - 10/10/2013 2:32:18 PM   
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DomKen: Get a Lee Basic reloader. It's about 25 bucks and contains everything you need to bring the per-round cost back to around 10-25 cents. You can even use cast-lead bullets in it or even 00 buck if it's been sized (which happens when you load it anyway). A guy at my club uses that to make squib loads for indoor practice and pest control.

Looks like I'll need some more stuff that adds to the cost, they say you need to size the cartridge to make it safe in lever action rifles, but still looks like I could get everything for less than $100 which is pretty decent considering a box of ammo is running $90 last I checked.

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RE: For gun owners, what is your favorite. Not a gun co... - 10/10/2013 2:33:42 PM   
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Shooting bear inaccurately is also unwise. They are easy to upset.

Yeah, you do want to shoot them in the heart if at all possible.

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RE: For gun owners, what is your favorite. Not a gun co... - 10/10/2013 2:45:45 PM   
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RE: For gun owners, what is your favorite. Not a gun co... - 10/10/2013 3:51:55 PM   
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Many grouse and pheasant could stand testament to my Purdey's field experience.

Well, they could stand testament if they hadn't been eaten.

I had always scoffed at the cost of Purdeys, my first gun was a brand new Beretta. Then some bastard let me shoot his Purdey and that was it.


I never would have had you as the type, Crazy.



I am curious as to why you think that's crazy? Killing grouse and pheasant is murder. Tasty, tasty murder. A machine as nice as the Purdey is like owning your own slice of heaven.

Where does the crazy come in?

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